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djurmann
Inner circle
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Posted: May 20, 2012 3:31am
Hello,
A different thread mentioned Michael Close's Workers series - so I strolled over to have a look. Some of them require a memorised stack and I wondered how practical this is for restaurant/strolling work?
I am new to all this so forgive me if it is a dumb question.
Danny
- Ignorant but seeking.
- "All done by kindness."
- Fellowship across differnces
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Paul Jester
Special user
UK
753 Posts
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Posted: May 20, 2012 5:49am
They're practical enough. Requires some management, but nothing you won't master while learning the effects and deck. Some notable magicians have made a living with mem-decks. Best bet is to give it a go and see if it suits you, I stopped using mem-decks walk-around just because they don't suit my style, but while I used it I had no real issues from a practical point of view.
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Jonathan P.
Inner circle
Belgium
1478 Posts
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Posted: May 20, 2012 7:12am
I don't do Mem-deck work, but I assume that along with mastering the deck itself and the routines you fancy with it, you'll be able to set-up a few "close-up sets" that are organic, powerful, use the men-deck for the best, and allow you to end with the deck ready for the next set.
Of course, it has some pro and cons, some of the cons being not to leave cards as souvenirs, not letting the people handle the cards as freely as they could otherwise (if, by any chance, you use to give your card to handle to the audience), but I think this is quite obvious... 
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djurmann
Inner circle
1270 Posts
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Posted: May 21, 2012 4:24am
Hmmm thank you. I guess suck it and see.
Best wishes,
Danny
- Ignorant but seeking.
- "All done by kindness."
- Fellowship across differnces
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ROBERT BLAKE
Special user
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Posted: May 21, 2012 9:10am
When youwork with the deck make a sequence of 3 effects that you can do. then when do close up round just do those 3 effects. I another round you do some normal card work.
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Close.Up.Dave
Inner circle
Behind you!
2739 Posts
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Posted: May 21, 2012 4:09pm
Here's a better question: Does the effect you are trying to accomplish make a memorized deck an indispensable tool, even in a table hopping setting? The method is not the magic. I say flip your reasoning on this one.
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Dannydoyle
Eternal Order
14055 Posts
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Posted: May 21, 2012 4:21pm
I am not a fan of a memorised deck for table work. BUT that does not mean it can't work.
Think about it like this. If you have it set right, you can go right from one table to the next and do different effects for each table. You can pack quite a bit of things into it and not worry about reset.
Simon Aronson has some great work on memorised decks.
Danny Doyle
Semper Occultus
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell
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MagicJuggler
Special user
Anchorage, AK
918 Posts
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Posted: Jun 6, 2012 4:43am
The idea is to have tricks where the deck can be re-set into mem deck order either automatically or within a few seconds. That way you can do repeat performances with minimum hassle. Also, highly recommended, ALWAYS carry a second deck in mem deck order so incase you accidentally get the cards too mixed up to recover smoothly you can just put away the deck and pull the other deck out of your pocket later.
Matthew Olsen
www.mattolsenmagic.com
I heard from a friend that anecdotal evidence is actually quite reliable.
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Mary Mowder
Inner circle
2002 Posts
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Posted: Jun 6, 2012 3:40pm
I use a mem. deck for walk-around.
It seems to work fine for quite a while and stays in order as long as you pay attention. Plan the routine.
If you lose the order many parts of the s***k are often still intact which a quick glance will tell. So you can do some things with a partial s***k and if you succumb to the temptation of doing a shuffle you can always do a million effects with a straight deck.
The only problem with doing it this way is that mem. deck work is impressive so if the s***k is lost you need a strong finish planned for a straight deck.
-Mary Mowder
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jugglestruck
Special user
Wales
947 Posts
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Posted: Jun 10, 2012 5:18pm
The new DVD by Tom Crosbie called Recall is all abou mem deck work and in particular as regards to strolling. It's being released in a week or two and looks very good.
www.jugglestruck.co.uk
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j100taylor
Elite user
471 Posts
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Posted: Jun 10, 2012 5:54pm
I've watched Paul Gallagher a local magician here in Cleveland blow people away with his mem-deck work. He walks up to a table asks someone name a card then spells to it or spells their name and there it is, asks someone else to think of one and reveals it another way - basically the trick that can't be explained but he's so experienced and fast it looks like real magic.
Lakewood, Ohio
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jpleddington
Loyal user
Lake Tahoe/Reno, NV
213 Posts
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Posted: Jun 11, 2012 2:32am
If magical effect rather than the impression of skill is what you're going for, then I think you're giving up a lot by not allowing the spectators to shuffle. It's bad enough that in most walkaround situations we can't work with a borrowed deck. It's worse by far if we keep the deck out of their hands. (Even if specs don't ask you if they can shuffle, you can be sure that many of them are thinking it.) In the end, then, I tend to think that the costs of memdeck work in this sort of context outweigh the benefits -- unless you're prepared to commit to a deck switch. There's no question that it's possible to ring in a stacked or partially stacked deck to great effect in a walkaround situation. Derren Brown discusses an ingenious method for doing this in Pure Effect. There are, no doubt, other, easier ways, too.
Jason
Intelligent Magic and Mentalism
jasonleddington.com
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Mary Mowder
Inner circle
2002 Posts
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Posted: Jun 11, 2012 3:30pm
Letting Spectators shuffle the deck causes awkward dead time for the rest of the spectators (and often the shuffler as well).
They bend cards so that you have one or two stranger cards showing up all evening (not all bad) and the deck won't "feel" good.
If your f***e shuffles are good ones and done in an offhand manner the spectators really don't (usually) need or want to shuffle. You always have the option of letting someone shuffle and doing another effect.
When you are entertaining and fun they will go where you lead.
I used to feel the same way as Jason but a few (nervous) tries proved my point.
There are effects where the Spectator shuffles a portion of the deck and it still ends up "right" so you also have that option which I do sometimes use despite my (sleight) aversion to letting others handle my deck.
-Mary Mowder
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Donnie Buckley
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Cleveland, Ohio
1012 Posts
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Posted: Jun 11, 2012 9:59pm
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On 2012-06-10 17:54, j100taylor wrote:
I've watched Paul Gallagher a local magician here in Cleveland blow people away with his mem-deck work. He walks up to a table asks someone name a card then spells to it or spells their name and there it is, asks someone else to think of one and reveals it another way - basically the trick that can't be explained but he's so experienced and fast it looks like real magic.
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Hi John,
I've seen Paul do this as well. He does a lot of the Juan Tamariz material from his Mnemonica book.
I've watched him do what looks exactly like Invisible Deck with an ungimmnicked deck for an opener. The other material with the stack was all differnet and pretty astounding stuff. And the lay audience he was working for were blown away. It blew me away! Paul's a great magician. I wish he would join the Café.
Learn the form, but seek the formless. Learn it all, then forget it all. Learn the way, then find your own way.
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