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lejon
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Posted: May 24, 2012 1:06pm
Hi All,
simply wondering if BoBo is still THE beginner book?
Thanks
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Michael Rubinstein
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Posted: May 24, 2012 1:14pm
Yes
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critter
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Spokane, WA
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Posted: May 24, 2012 1:14pm
For coins?
IMO, Yup!
I throw stuff.
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Ichi-go ichi-e
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lejon
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Posted: May 24, 2012 1:18pm
Ok .
Thanks a lot
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David Neighbors
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Posted: May 24, 2012 4:44pm
YEA It's what Both Roth, And I started with! 
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ljsviol
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Posted: May 24, 2012 4:44pm
Lejon,
At the risk of sounding like a fanboy, I'd like to mention that as I studied Bobo (and still do) I got great value from watching Ben Salinas DVD series "Modern Coin Magic" which goes through Bobo's classic book on video, with demos of the effects and sleights. He doesn't show everything in the book, but the 4 DVDs cover an awful lot.
I'm responsible -) for a thread about the DVDs:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=410701&forum=3
Although it's not a beginner's book, I'd like to say how much I'm enjoying Roth's "Expert Coin Magic". Even here, I often turn to DVDs (some of Michael Rubinstein's New York Coin Magic series, among them) to see examples of items covered in the book.
What a wealth of wonderful material we have nowadays! And so well taught.
Larry
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David Neighbors
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Posted: May 24, 2012 4:56pm
And Also will have some Easy stuff of My New DVD set when it comes out!:)
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Jonathan Townsend
Eternal Order
Ossining, NY
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Posted: May 24, 2012 5:01pm
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On 2012-05-24 13:06, lejon wrote:
Hi All,
simply wondering if BoBo is still THE beginner book?
Thanks
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It never was. It's an okay survey book of what was around at the time - much like Kaufman's CoinMagic was to the late 1970s.
The beginner books remain survey books of general magic that have a few coin tricks. IMHO the Robert-Houdin book is a good start. The Henry Hay book or The Tarbell course, even just volume one, also make a fine beginnings for learning magic.
After you have a solid foundation it's easier to specialize, building upon methods including sleight of hand, table loads/steals, body loads/steals, black art, gaffs...
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Atom3339
Inner circle
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Posted: May 24, 2012 5:30pm
Best Coin Magic reference book of its time.
TH
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Jonathan Townsend
Eternal Order
Ossining, NY
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Posted: May 24, 2012 5:48pm
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On 2012-05-24 17:30, Atom3339 wrote:
Best Coin Magic reference book of its time.
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Agreed. And it's still a fine coin magic book.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Ray Bertrand
Special user
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Posted: May 24, 2012 6:01pm
BoBo was my introduction to coin magic.
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Mb217
Inner circle
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Posted: May 24, 2012 7:16pm
Go with the consensus here as to Bobo's, you won't go wrong...No one else did. We all come from some place, most of us had Bobo's in our early blood. Plus, Ben Salinas' DVD accompaniment set to the famous coin book helps to make it even more a complete tutelage on all you need to know to get started and then to continue on...Forever!
There are other good places to start as well but most folks still find their beginnings with Bobo's and continue to go back from whence they came time and again. It's still the best value of coin magic out there, still under $10 bucks for a lifetime treasure chest of the coin.
*Check out my latest Crimp Change - REDUX! and other fine magic at www.vinnymarini.com 
"Not much new under the sun I hear but under the moon, well who knows, that just might be a horse of a different color." -Mb
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David Neighbors
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Posted: May 24, 2012 7:39pm
Under $ 10.00 Bucks? Yea if you go with the Softbound ! That's ok to start with! But sometime you will want to upgrade to the hardbound! Some stuff in there that is not in the Softbound!
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Albatros
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Germany
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Posted: May 25, 2012 5:37am
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On 2012-05-24 19:39, David Neighbors wrote:
Under $ 10.00 Bucks? Yea if you go with the Softbound ! That's ok to start with! But sometime you will want to upgrade to the hardbound! Some stuff in there that is not in the Softbound!
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Since I do not own one (yet) I cant talk about the extra items within the hardbound volume, but as a "keep at hand and carry around"-book the softbound is just about perfect (and I feel way less bad writing in the margins!).
All the best,
Sven ^^
"Palming cards... Like sex, it can be learned by almost anybody,but doing it well requires some native talent and assiduous practice." (John Scarne)
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David Neighbors
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Posted: May 25, 2012 9:39am
Yea The Softbound is great for Carry around! It was not out when I started!
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BenSalinas
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Posted: May 25, 2012 10:55am
If MB, David, Jonathon, and Michael say it, I'd listen! It's so fantastic to have these Coin Masters giving advice. I have pretty much everything these men have created!
And thanks for the mention of my Modern Coin Magic DVDs. It is very humbling to think that my DVDs are helping fellow coin magicians. The DVDs cover everything in the Dover edition of the book, except the Gimmick Coin Chapter. The Expanded hardback version contains a TON of fantastic magic that was not part of the Dover edition.
Your Friendly Neighborhood Coin Flinger
www.SalinasMagic.com
http://www.FaceBook.com/BenSalinas
The Coin Magic Page! http://salinasmagic.blogspot.com/
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Curtis Kam
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same as you, plus 3 and enough to make
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Posted: May 25, 2012 6:02pm
IMHO, see: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=125881&forum=169&0
and since the OP is asking about books, Shigeo Futagawa's "Introduction to Coin Magic" is a better-structured beginner's book.
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David Neighbors
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Posted: May 26, 2012 7:02pm
Yea it's Vary Good! But Bobo's is much more in Depth !
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Hare
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Posted: Jun 3, 2012 1:43pm
In my opinion both Futagawa's Intro to Coin Magic and Hay's Amateur Magician's Handbook are actually vastly superior as far as "teaching" coin magic to someone new. Bobo's is a large collection of popular coin stuff at the time of the writer's career. The other two books take the time to explain theory- the "why" you are doing what you are doing and both of those books offer much, much less confusing explanations and better visual clues as to how to proceed.
Everyone choooses to mention Bobo's big book because it's easily accessible and it's large, encompassing a lot of material.
In my opinion, neither of these reasons are equal to the benefits of a proper start- where you understand what the hell it is you are doing and why. Bobo's vast quantity of material is often made useless by the opacity of it's descriptions/illustrations.
Quantity tends to make a magician jump around, and at the start of your coin juggling career, that's the last thing you need to do.
More than any other branch of the art, coin hand magic requires a lot of practice of just a few basic things. Greatness is measured not on how many tricks you can perform- but on doing a few with excellence. Hay in particular, offers this in abundance with his patient, fatherly teaching style.
"Better described in The Amateur Magician's Handbook"
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Merc Man
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Posted: Jun 4, 2012 5:28pm
34 years on the shelf and still referred to regularly (along with The Royal Road & Expert Card Technique).
Jeez I must sound like an old fart!
Barry Allen
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David Neighbors
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Posted: Jun 4, 2012 6:45pm
That's Ok so do I.
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Merc Man
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Posted: Jun 5, 2012 5:54am
Oh hang on a minute - another recommendation that's worthy of study.
Harry Lorayne's 'The Magic Book'. I was cutting my teeth on it's contents by 13, and, even to this day, I value this book as the greatest introduction to pure magic (and sleight of hand) anyone could wish for. It's actually what got me interested in coin magic before even tackling Bobo.
Unreservedly recommended.
Just to add I'm really surprised that Harry hasn't bought out a coin book. With 'The Magic Book' as the starting point, coupled with 20 years worth of excellent coin material from Apocalypse, I'm sure it would be popular.
Barry Allen
Mercedes-Benz W123 Series.........undoubtedly, Stuttgart's finest ever hour.
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David Neighbors
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Posted: Jun 5, 2012 7:00am
BUT all the Apocalypse Stuff is All ready In the 4 hard Bound Vol's I don't know if anyone would want to pay for it agen???
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Merc Man
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Posted: Jun 5, 2012 8:45am
Good call actually David - but I think the Classic Collection sold well.
Also, I guess not everyone has all four vols - and when Harry rewrites effects, he often adds new spin on things (including photos).
Barry Allen
Mercedes-Benz W123 Series.........undoubtedly, Stuttgart's finest ever hour.
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Atom3339
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Posted: Jun 5, 2012 9:04am
Actually, I don't think Harry actually likes coin magic THAT much---nowhere near his love for card magic.
I'm still waiting for Roth's Expert CARD Magic book.
TH
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cperkins
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Posted: Jun 5, 2012 9:42am
Another vote for The Magic Book.
Lorayne's The Magic Book for me was one of the all time great instructional books I ever came across. This is a book of miracles for a beginner and intermediate alike - coins, cards and other closeup genre and written with the same simplicity and clarity that only Lorayne achieves.
Exceptional piece of magic literature.
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David Neighbors
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Posted: Jun 5, 2012 10:23am
I don't Murc Man I would not by it! But my money is tight!:)
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Atom3339
Inner circle
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Posted: Jun 5, 2012 11:05am
A few things NOT mentioned about Bobo's:
It was unopened on my book shelf for YEARS because everytime I attempted to read it, I found I t very dry. To me, it read like, "Here is how this sleight is done. Here is how this trick is done. Here's how you do THIS vanish." Oooooookay....
I had a hard time picturing myself doing the sleights. And realized it would probably take YEARS to do ANY of it well. The inconsistency of difficulty confirmed this. Something fairly easy would be followed by a knuckle-buster. I so admire the guys (looking at you Neighbors, Roth, McClintock) who ploughed through the entire tome! Whew!
I found I had to pick and choose, piecemeal, to get as much value as I could. But never felt an affinity for it, for Bobo's.
Still a wonderous reference book and historical collection.
BUT I've always wondered HOW did he do it? HOW did Bobo, a self-described Children's Magician, gather and collate all of that fantastic Coin Magic material? Did he travel extensively to shows and clubs to meet his fellow magi? Mail out requests for coin magic to send him lecture notes? Was he just an affable guy with a very large circle of unique friends? To me, THAT would be a fascinating story!
There is no doubt Bobo's book was a herculean feat well accomplished and still a great success after all these years.
TH
Occupy Your Dream
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J-Mac
Inner circle
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Posted: Jun 5, 2012 12:34pm
I found Curtis Kam's "A Hundreth Pleasant Conceipts" - link shown in Curtis's post above, and here: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=125881&forum=169&0 - to be very helpful. Points out many of the errors and omissions in MCM and then goes on to show what you can pick up well from it. Excellent series of posts!
Thanks!
Jim
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cperkins
Special user
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Posted: Jun 5, 2012 1:06pm
"A Hundreth Pleasant Conceipts" was an enormously ambitious undertaking. We wish it would have continued further into the subject matter.
I really enjoy Curtis Kam's ability to write about magic, coin magic in particular. He has a firm grasp of its history and evolution as well as interesting and practical knowledge of performance and presentation of coin magic that comes from experience.
I know how advanced he is as a practitioner of magic, but I must say, I enjoy his writing equally so.
It has been over half a century since Bobo published his treatise on coin magic, and this subset of close up badly needs another updated master reference.
Talk about a huge undertaking!
cp
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