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bowers

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Posted: May 30, 2012 4:47pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of bowers  

When I am back p%% a half dollar.
I find it easier to do a goshman pinch.
David Neighbors

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Posted: May 30, 2012 6:17pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of David Neighbors  

Yea that's Easier, But the Angles Are not as good! But hay you do what works!
bowers

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Posted: May 30, 2012 6:25pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of bowers  

Your are so right david.
I will only do it with half dollars.
quarters are real tough to do.but can be done though.
David Neighbors

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Posted: May 30, 2012 8:01pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of David Neighbors  

So you mite use a deep back clip for quarters?
Preacherman

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Posted: Jun 3, 2012 9:18pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Preacherman  

Okay, the search for Ike's wasn't as smooth as I had hoped. No luck at either bank - both said that they sometimes have them but they don't keep them or roll them so it's pretty much a crap shoot to walk in and find one - much less the five I was looking for.

After the second strike out at the bank I went to the coin shop and picked up five of them from the cheap Ike box ($1.40 each).

Now I'm trying to work out some of the moves that I was hoping would be easier with the larger coins - boy, oh boy, is a BP hard to do convincingly! Much work still required!

I am surprised how easy FP and CP and c---ps are with the larger coins. Oh, and very surprised how loud they are! Holy mackrel! I figure if I can get smooth and quiet with these coins I'll be in paradise when I finally get some soft, silver coins.

Thanks again for all the valuable input!

JD

"The right hand is, of course, the hand with the thumb to the left side." Fred Kaps

"A little magic now and then never hurts" Grandpa Munster
Atom3339

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Posted: Jun 3, 2012 9:44pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Atom3339  

JD, I practice with dollars; do effects with half-dollars. Also working on doing some effects with dollars for more visibility and, IMO, I believe the spectators' perception is that coin magic with dollars is much more difficult. Of course the size of your hands and ease of handling also come into consideration.

TH

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David Neighbors

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Posted: Jun 3, 2012 10:47pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of David Neighbors  

Yea Good luck Trying to B.P. A Silver Dollar ! I have never been able to do it! That's one reason I use Half's for it! I mostly use F.P. When using the Bigger coins!
Preacherman

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Posted: Jun 4, 2012 11:10am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Preacherman  

David, I was thinking that thw wider coin might fit better between the side of my index finger and pinky for the BP - and they do fit better, but I still have lots of work to do to make it look natural. I can do a c--p, but I've not been able to BP a half dollar - can't find the right two fingers...

FP is easy (even easier than I thought it might be) and CP is pretty easy. My son was pretty amazed that a Ramsey subtlety works very well even with a silver dollar.

Atom, do you find any difficulty with the transition between coins? It does make sense that if you practice with the larger coin and perform with the smaller that some things would be easier, but do you find that other things are harder?

I have pretty big mitts, so the size of the silver dollars isn't a problem - but sometimes working with quarters is a bit difficult for me. I have assumed that some of the difficulty switching from one coin size to another is based on familiarity more than size. Maybe it is a bit of both.

JD

"The right hand is, of course, the hand with the thumb to the left side." Fred Kaps

"A little magic now and then never hurts" Grandpa Munster
David Neighbors

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Posted: Jun 4, 2012 11:18am    Reply with quote   View Profile of David Neighbors  

Well good Luck to you then. I hope it works for You! And I found it Better Going from Halves to Dollars than Halves to Quarters !
Atom3339

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Posted: Jun 4, 2012 1:54pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Atom3339  

Hi JD, The whole transition with coin sizes depends on the size of your hands. Generally practicing sleights with dollars makes sleights with ALL the smaller coins easier for me. The two exceptions I have found are 1) the Muscle Pass and 2) Any BP are much easier with dollars. I try to learn routines using various coin sizes in case I borrow coins or prefer visibility with larger coins: also depending on how much I'm ENJOYING the sleights---how they actually feel in my hands. A nice Coins Across can use dollars, halves or quarters. Maybe it's more comfortable for your hands to use a particular size.

BTW, I KNOW why Mr. Neighbors uses Barbers: They are BUTTER. Try working on your knuck-buster moves with Kennedys (and their edges), get those moves down, then use Barbers. You won't believe how smooth they feel and it seems they just do the magic all on their own!

TH

Occupy Your Dream
Preacherman

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Posted: Jun 5, 2012 7:59pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Preacherman  

Good news...I was cleaning up and found a couple of old coins that I'd completely forgotten about. I took them to the coin shop in town and was able to trade those three coins for 3 Morgans.

The Ike's are still good for handling, but wow...smooth and quiet - I'm already liking these babies.

JD

"The right hand is, of course, the hand with the thumb to the left side." Fred Kaps

"A little magic now and then never hurts" Grandpa Munster
bowers

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Posted: Jun 5, 2012 8:55pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of bowers  

Ha jd I'm curious what coins did you trade?
Preacherman

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Posted: Jun 6, 2012 1:12am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Preacherman  

I had some silver bullion coins...nothing special (at least I don't think they were special :-D )

JD

"The right hand is, of course, the hand with the thumb to the left side." Fred Kaps

"A little magic now and then never hurts" Grandpa Munster
David Neighbors

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Posted: Jun 6, 2012 1:33am    Reply with quote   View Profile of David Neighbors  

Glad you got some Morgans! Better on the EARS!!!
Atom3339

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Posted: Jun 6, 2012 11:54am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Atom3339  

^ Yes, David, they fit nicely.

Wonder how Mickey Silver feels about them on HIS ears!!???

TH

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David Neighbors

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Posted: Jun 6, 2012 12:38pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of David Neighbors  

I am Not sure? He mite think they Are a little bit EAR-E !
rogerpierre

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Posted: Jun 6, 2012 11:14pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of rogerpierre  

I like the feel of the Ike's, and Todd Lassen's new Ike gaffs are beautiful! And the Copper Walkers go perfectly with them for those gaffs!
Tonylew

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Tracy, CA
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Posted: Jun 9, 2012 1:30am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Tonylew  

I recently spent close to $300 to purchase a gaffed set of Walking Liberties from one of the top magic coin machinists. When I felt that the set needed further tweaking, the machinist complained that the set worked far better when made up in Morgans. If I had made the upgrade, it would have cost me an additional $200. Now a high earning professional magician or an affluent hobbyist might be able to justify spending $500 on a gaffed coin set, but on my low fixed income I can think of far better things to purchase with that kind of money.
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