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pabloinus Inner circle 1683 Posts |
I bought a used ball and vase that includes the gimmicked ball. It is brass painted in gloss black. The paint is chip in many places, so I would like to re-painted in black.
What should I do? Do I need to give a base first to the brass, before painting? What base? what paint should I use? It is inexpensive so I don't want a very expensive solution with special ovens, something I can get in Michaels or Home Depot Any help? |
Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
You might just try spraying light mist coats of enamel until you build up the finish where you want it. It wouldn't hurt to rub it down first with alcohol to degrease from handling.
It might depend on how deep the chips are. If it looks like crap after you paint it, strip everything off with lacquer thinner or paint remover and start from the ground up (couple light coats of basic primer, followed by a couple light color coats. Considering the prop, you probably don't want thick coats of paint as it may foul the working of the gimmick.
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thegreatnippulini Inner circle of Hell because I've made 2582 Posts |
When painting metals, it is helpful to put "tooth" on it, meaning scuff up the surface ALL around so no shiny metal shows. Paint will chip and flake right off polished metal. Treat it like automotive painting. Sand down to bare metal, scuff it up, de-grease (also called "flashing") with solvents, apply primer, let dry, apply paint, then topcoat. As Michael noted, the paint layers MAY increase the size of the ball to the point where it affects the illusion.
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pabloinus Inner circle 1683 Posts |
Thank you guys, I have a Michael's and HD closed by, can you give me the names of what I need for prime and enamel, brands,or products,
This is the prop, you can not see the gimmick because is under the top on the left. It is small brass item, very nice done http://www.martinsmagic.com/?nd=full&key=713&myaf=af_mm |
Wizzard Veteran user 322 Posts |
Quote from The Art of Magic by T. Nelson Downs page 179.
"1. Before painting or cementing on metal, especially brass, the metal should be soaked for at least an hour in a saturated solution of sal-soda, an then rubbed clean and dry with a soft cloth. This removes the grease that is always found on new metal and which otherwise would cause the paint to scale off." Downs made and finished lots of gimmicks and this section of his books cuts to the chase as to preperation. Sal-soda is so′dium car′bonate n. 1. Also called soda ash. an anhydrous, grayish white, odorless, water-soluble powder, Na2CO3, used in the manufacture of glass, ceramics, soaps, paper, petroleum products, sodium salts, as a cleanser, for bleaching, and in water treatment. 2. Also called sal soda, soda, washing soda. a hydrated form of this salt, Na2CO3∙10H2O, used similarly. You can buy washing soda at walmart in the laundry soap section. JMN
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pabloinus Inner circle 1683 Posts |
Nipullini, you mentioned 5 steps, sand and degreasing ( I am clear on both), then prime (what do I use, brand?, could be bought in HD or Michaels?), paint (what paint do you recommend), top coat (what is this, what do you recommend?)
Thank you ...pablo |
Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Cleaning brass can also be done with white vinegar. The most important part is do not touch the metal after cleaning with your bare hands. Oil and acids from the hands will cause the paint to peel. Use throw-a-way gloves like food preparers use or lint free cotton gloves.
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manal Inner circle York ,PA. 1412 Posts |
Wipe with mineral spirits (it is a solvent,also known as paint thinner) available at any hardware store.
Use a clean lint free cloth. Sand with 600 grit wet/dry sandpaper from hardware or automotive store. Wipe again with mineral spirits and clean cloth. Let dry Paint with spray on metal primer from automotive store or a metal primer from hardware. Go there and look on the paint shelves you will find it. Spray with enamel or acrylic paint. It will stick to the primer. |
pabloinus Inner circle 1683 Posts |
Thank you everybody, I will try on Sunday to fix the prop
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thegreatnippulini Inner circle of Hell because I've made 2582 Posts |
Manal noted that it is imperative to clean and de-grease AFTER sanding. Sanding can leave minute oils and/or acids from your hands and/or anything else the sandpaper picked up (certain woods are chock full of oils that can contaminate everything you share tools with). Solvents are nice, another trick is to flash the oils off with a torch. Keeping the metal warm is also helpful when applying paint.
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scottds80 Special user Victoria, Australia 730 Posts |
Use etch primer in a spray pack.
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tpax Elite user Columbia, Maryland 443 Posts |
I have found a degreaser/cleaner for commercial flooring works really well. I have used one from the decorative concrete industry and it works great, better then alcohol but takes longer to dry as it's diluted with water. The critical thing is to use very hot water and let the solution "dwell" (don't let it dry out) on the item for a few minutes to allow it to penetrate the oil, then remove with towel or wet vac and then rinse with clean water or alcohol. It's also used to clean commercial kitchens. The stuff I use is called Power Cleaner and is made by a small company in LV called SEMCO that does concrete resurfacing. I don't know if they sell retail. If not I have a 5 gallon I would sell quarts of if anyone wanted to try it. Works great on cleaning the shower as well!
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thegreatnippulini Inner circle of Hell because I've made 2582 Posts |
Tpax, is that like muriatic acid? Sounds like a very creative way to clean metal surfaces.... I am intruiged!
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Craig Ousterling Special user 585 Posts |
One of the best primers the miniature metal figure painter groups use: Krylon 51315 All-Purpose White Interior and Exterior Decorator Primer.
When painting metal there IS a difference in primer used. |
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