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Andrew J. K. Loyal user GREECE 263 Posts |
Just a simple question to those who don't own Atlas' take on the ACCAN plot, yet.
Do you know why Atlas and Andrew are charging $27.00 for it, instead of a more rounded price? Don't all you think that the amount of 27 bucks sounds a bit strange/odd? For example, why not $25.00, $30.00 or even $35.00? Sorry gentlemen, but I don't know if I have the right to reveal anything more. With regards, Andrew
"Do not fear death so much, but rather the inadequate life". BERTOLT BRECHT
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GordonTheHypnotist Elite user Don't Read This Sign 495 Posts |
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On Mar 17, 2014, Andrew J. K. wrote: To me this is an odd post. I know you already have this but you word this as a question? Are you trying to build intrigue to an effect that already has 15 pages of comments? Yes there is a specific reason for the cost but that is for owners of the effect to know. For people that don't have it .....all it does is cause confusion. You can absolutely do this on its own with only a borrowed deck of cards. $27 dollars is a legitimate price.
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J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
Andrew,
It is none of my business why the authors have set the price where they have. I am fine with the price and therefore made the purchase. If you aren't sure if you "have the right to reveal anything more", then why are you mentioning this at all? Certainly is an odd post. Jim |
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Garbo Regular user 138 Posts |
I've purchased the ACAAN but I'm in uk and so it cost £16.23..... 😊
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a brown 1968 Elite user 470 Posts |
Why $27 ??
The price originally was a nice round some $30 before we released Crusade .. Atlas in performance found out following up with U F Grants OOTW was the perfect bedfellow .. The Grant effect can be purchased for $3 as an ebook Since the OOTW is not ours to include in our ebook we decided to cut our price by $3 in order to Keep the overall price at $30 £16.23 ... Lol that's exchange rates for you Andrew |
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Andrew J. K. Loyal user GREECE 263 Posts |
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On Mar 17, 2014, GordonTheHypnotist wrote: Quote:
On Mar 18, 2014, J-Mac wrote: To GordonTheHypnotist and J-MAc: Dear gentlemen, I'm afraid that either you misinterpreted my post or I couldn't express myself the way I wanted due to the fact that English is not my mother tongue. I think that this is quite understandable. However if the latter is the case then I do apologize for any confusion may have caused. With all due respect, I don't see anything odd regarding the content of my post. On the contrary, I think that it is clear that my statement was an absolutely positive and not a negative one. As for the price, I never said anywhere in that topic anything negative (should I assume that you have indeed read thoroughly my previous posts on page 14?) about the price or the concept of the ebook itself. Do you honestly notice anywhere the slightest sign of negative critisism by me either about the effect itself or about its price? I NEVER said or implied that the price is not legitimate, overpriced or anything like that. I really can't understand your slightly harsh attitude towards my latest post and myself in general. And I think that I didn't build any intrique. At least not the one referring to its negative term. All I wanted was simply to offer any potential buyer one more tiny motivation to get CRUSADE in order to learn among all other information about the effect, the interesting and funny,IMHO story that lies behind Atlas' and Andrew's funky or unconventional decision to set the price at a non rounded amount($27.00) instead of charging them with 30 bucks. Don't you think that this is a quite prototypical and kind gesture by them to give the buyers the opportunity to spend the 3 remaining bucks on getting a very interesting and clever version of OOTW by U.F. Grant which seems ideal to be performed right after CRUSADE according to the creators of the latter? And I totally agree with them. Have you ever seen similar gestures by other fellow mentalists or magicians by now? I don't think so. On the contrary, although it's a brilliant and an outstanding effect/experience performing this, it's DEFINITELY much UNDERPRICED in comparison with hundreds of ACAAN/Open Prediction versions or similar magic effects/products that are circulating in the magic market by now. To Jim who wrote, "Certainly is an odd post": "Certainly" is a word we have to use carefully and above all wisely, every time we are referring to a person. Surely there are a few other phrasing such as "I think..." instead of the aforementioned one. And it happens that this is being used by people who have a moderate and more humble attitude. Finally, I'd like to say a big thank you to Andrew Brown for clarifying things for me in his latest post on page 15 of this topic. After that, things came to an end, since there isn't an extra surprise for the buyers of THE CRUSADE anymore. Are you both, Jim and Gordon happy now? I do apologize once more for not being able to express myself the way I want due to the fact that I don't speak English fluently. With regards, Andrew K.
"Do not fear death so much, but rather the inadequate life". BERTOLT BRECHT
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J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
Andrew J.K.,
You should just let it lie. Quote:
To Jim who wrote, "Certainly is an odd post": "Certainly" is a word we have to use carefully and above all wisely, Certainly means I feel sure it is an odd post. Perhaps it is the language issue you mentioned. However the following statement... Quote:
Sorry gentlemen, but I don't know if I have the right to reveal anything more. ...indicates that you claim to have some hidden or otherwise unknown bit of knowledge about the reason for what you called a "strange/odd" price, but you do not know if you may reveal it. That sounds as if there is some nefarious reason behind the price. If that isn't what you meant, due to a language barrier, then you hopefully know it now! And with that I will refrain from any further comment about your post. Jim |
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GordonTheHypnotist Elite user Don't Read This Sign 495 Posts |
Hey Andrew JK I wasn't being critical at all. I was just curious to why you asked the question of the Café members? If you owned this, which I assumed you do than you would have already known the answer to your question. Yes indeed the pricing was clever and great for them to make it a valuable combo but that information was not yours to share!
Don't you understand that it was because of your confusing (odd) post that readers don't get that added surprise? Andrew Brown had to come on the Café and clarify that the peculiar price was due to a fun little bonus on their part and not something out of the norm. I understand that English is not your first language but you would have done much better to say something like "I even appreciate Andrew and Atlas for thinking of us magicians and making this $27. There is a really cool, novel, and fun reason for this exact price but I don't want to ruin the surprise so if you haven't already go ahead and pick this up" Which is basically what I think you were trying to say in the first place but it didn't come out that way in your post. I knew you were only trying to be helpful and grateful. I understand you had only good intentions in mind. I don't want to digress from this great trick or thread anymore so I will leave it at that. Best, Gordon
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Garbo Regular user 138 Posts |
I think it was a great acknowledgment to U F Grants OOTW - which incidentally cost me £1.81 - so both effects cost me £18.04
I wonder what the significance of that number is......? |
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Andrew J. K. Loyal user GREECE 263 Posts |
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On Mar 19, 2014, GordonTheHypnotist wrote: First of all, I'd like to thank you Gordon, for your kind efforts to have a moderate, nice and objective approach to my latest post. I really much appreciate this and especially your kind suggestion regarding the phrasing I should have used to avoid any likelihood of confusion. I'm referring to the following statement of yours: "I even appreciate Andrew and Atlas for thinking of us magicians and making this $27. There is a really cool, novel, and fun reason for this exact price but I don't want to ruin the surprise so if you haven't already go ahead and pick this up". And you continue with: "Which is basically what I think you were trying to say in the first place but it didn't come out that way in your post". I do apologize once more (It seems that Jim is still the only one who ignores my subsequent apologies in this topic) from not being able to express myself correctly as Gordon correctly suggested me. Gordon, believe me neither I do not want to digress from this thread anymore. I just wanted to give (wrongly, I guess due my language issue) a unexpectable surprise to any potential buyer. Just one more tiny motive to get the CRUSADE. That' all. Hope my post didn't affect in any way negative the sales of THE CRUSADE. Bottom line: it seems that you and Andrew Brown are the only ones who really understood that my intentions were good and that all I wanted was simply to let any potential buyer know that the particular price of CRUSADE was related to a hidden surprise in this ebook with the difference that it was in the form of another ebook that the buyer had to purchase for just 3 bucks and use it as a perfect follow up of the CRUSADE. If any other of you believe that my post was odd, please feel free to say it. I was always and will still be in favour of progressive dialogue. As for the definition of the word "odd", it has different meanings. One of them is "unusual" and "rare". And that's exactly what I meant. That what I mentioned and tried to make the potential buyer think about, was the issue of the NON ROUNDED PRICE regarding their product, a phenomenon that IMHO is definitely rare and not common when it comes to prices of magic books, ebooks or any other magic product in the market. Thanks once more, Gordon for your kind and unbiased approach to my post, All the best, Andrew K. P.S. If I'm not wrong, Andrew Brown chimmed in to clarify things ONLY after he had read your post and especially Jim's one which was the most critical (this is the most gentle way I can interpret Jim's attitude towards my post and me in general). And if my memory serves me well, even the slightest word of my post wasn't mentioned in a negative way by Andrew. I said that I don't know if I have the right to reveal more because I couldn't do so without having the permission from the creators for something that was suggested in their ebook to its readers to buy for an additional amount of 3 USA dollars. So who created all that buzz? Me with my NON ROUNDED PRICE phrase or you and especially Jim with the unkind and kind of rude critical content of his post?
"Do not fear death so much, but rather the inadequate life". BERTOLT BRECHT
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Andrew J. K. Loyal user GREECE 263 Posts |
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On Mar 19, 2014, J-Mac wrote: First of all, Jim, YES you have the right to refrain from any further comment about my post. Perhaps your decision is based on some contagious disease that I have... Maybe leprosy, the plague, any form of hepatitis or even AIDS... Yes, I think you should take precautions right away... If this is not an arrogant attitude, I'll eat my hat... Besides, as a superior human being in comparison with all of us mortals, you have the privilege to live in a "free" country in comparison with us poor "servants" and "slaves" who weren't lucky enough to live in the States like you. You wrote: "Certainly means I feel sure it is an odd post. (...)" As a newspaper journalist for more than two decades (I have traveled to a lot of countries due to my job) and a person who has studied in the University thoroughly the Greek language (both the ancient and the modern one) and Philosophy as well, I have to tell you that the aforementioned phrase of yours is DEFINITELY a subjective opinion or view of point. It's ...certainly NOT a FACT only because you are saying so! For God's sake! You wrote: "That sounds as if there is some nefarious reason behind the price." Please, be honest. Do yo really know what the meaning of the word nefarious is? I mean really... Perhaps, "profane" or "unholy" or "heinous" or "wicked"? Don't you think that you were quite a bit harsh and unfair with your hard hitting accusations? Do you imply that there was a heinous(!) reason by me behind the price in order to do what? To undermine THE CRUSADE sales? It just sounds ridiculous... At least. I just wanted to give (wrongly, I guess due my language issue) a unexpectable surprise to any potential buyer. Just one more tiny motive to get the CRUSADE. That' all. Bottom line: it seems that Gordon and Andrew Brown are the only ones who really understood that my intentions were good and that all I wanted was simply to let any potential buyer know that the particular price of CRUSADE was related to a hidden surprise in this ebook with the difference that it was in the form of another ebook that the buyer had to purchase for just 3 bucks and use it as a perfect follow up of the CRUSADE. If any other of the members or simply visitors of the Cafi believe that my post was so odd, strange and dangerously suspicious, please feel free to say it... I was always and will still be in favour of progressive dialogue. As for the definition of the word "ODD", you should have known that it has several and different meanings. One of them is "unusual" and "rare". And that's exactly what I meant. That was exactly what I mentioned in my post and tried to make the potential buyer think about: the issue of the NON ROUNDED PRICE regarding their product, a phenomenon that IMHO is definitely rare and not common when it comes to prices of magic books, ebooks or any other magic product in the market. I spoke only about the rare occasion a creator of mentalism or magic effects decide to sell their product at a non rounded price. I never said that the price is not legitimate or overpriced as you wrongly and unfairly stated in your latest post. I simply thought that my "odd" statement would trigger the curiosity (in a positive way) about the surprise (the suggestion to purchase U.F. Grant's OTTW version for only 3 bucks) that was hidden in the pages of the CRUSADE. That's why I couldn't reveal anything more without Atlas' and Andrew's permission. Nothing more, nothing less. With all due respect, Andrew K. P.S. If I'm not wrong, Andrew Brown chimmed in to clarify things ONLY after he had read Gordon's post and especially yours which was the most critical (this is the most gentle term I can use to interpret your attitude towards my post and me in general). And if my memory serves me well, even the slightest word of my post wasn't mentioned in a negative way by Andrew. Maybe he didn't want to get involved in our harmless conflict. Maybe he didn't notice anything wrong or odd regarding my post. Regardless of what the answer is, the core of this issue is that odds are high that I didn't express myself correctly and got people confused due to the fact that English isn't my mother tongue. However, I think that I'm trying every day hard to speak and write correctly and that my grammar is at least correct. Wish that you could speak Greek in the way (I mean the level) I express myself either verbal or written in your language. Here are some history lessons just to remind you, that according to Merriam Webster (I think that it is the most complete American dictionary at the current time) dictionary, there are more than 40.000 greek words in its pages that American and English people take and use from his vocabilary every day. That's almost the 1/4 or 25% of the English/American language! Did you really know anything about ancient greek language, culture, philosophy, art, astronomy, physics, mathematics and medicine? I'll mention it once more, that I said that I didn't know if I had the right to reveal more because I couldn't do so without having the permission of the creators for something that was suggested in their ebook to its readers to buy for an additional amount of 3 USA dollars. So who created all that BUZZ? Me with my NON ROUNDED PRICE phrase or you JIM with your unexplicable arrogance and the sort of rude critical content of your latest post? DID you really read my long posts in page 14 about the CRUSADE? Did you get the impression that all my kind words and praises about Atlas' and Andrew's ebook were just a bunch of lies? Some b******t just to stir up some trouble in the Magic Café? Come on, Jim! Relax for a while... Even though you are behaving like the ultimate judge of the universe. To avoid any confusion from now on, THE CRUSADE is a real worker! Definitely the best ACAAN for mentalists by now. Highly recommended!
"Do not fear death so much, but rather the inadequate life". BERTOLT BRECHT
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paisa23 Inner circle 7293 Posts |
Wait whoa! Did I walk in on Daddy hitting Mommy again? Ok so overall we are liking this and considering it a worker? Nice that's what I wanted to know. Anyone else used this lately? Would love to read about the reactions you are getting.
June 22 2012 9:02 AM baby Usnavi was born!
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Garbo Regular user 138 Posts |
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Jack Straw Inner circle Wichita 1020 Posts |
So what I learned from the flurry of activity here is that newspapers are still being printed!
Glad I tuned in.
Jack Straw from Wichita, cut his buddy down
And dug for him a shallow grave, and laid his body down Half a mile from Tucson, by the morning light One man gone and another to go, my old buddy you're moving much too slow We can share the women, we can share the wine |
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Andrew J. K. Loyal user GREECE 263 Posts |
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On Mar 19, 2014, Garbo wrote: It was really funny, Garbo. You made my day! However joking aside, have you EVER bought any magic item that cost you 1.81 GBP or 18.04 GBP? I don't think so. That exactly was my point. That the creators has set a non rounded amount(something definitely unusual in the magic market) for some good reason. Maybe a hidden surprise? With that in mind, every purchaser is able to save 3 bucks so he can spend them to buy an other effect that is ideal as a follow up to the CRUSADE. I do apologize once more if I indeed create any misunderstanding or confusion due to the lack of my language skills in English. With regards, Andrew
"Do not fear death so much, but rather the inadequate life". BERTOLT BRECHT
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Andrew J. K. Loyal user GREECE 263 Posts |
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On Mar 19, 2014, Garbo wrote: Garbo, would you be so kind to be more specific regarding your "wording"? I really don't know much about those symbols (expressions, I guess) that are being used frequently in most of the forums. I'm neither a techno freak, a computer programmer or a regular visitor or member of any other magic or other kind of forum. Thank you in advance, With regards, Andrew
"Do not fear death so much, but rather the inadequate life". BERTOLT BRECHT
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Andrew J. K. Loyal user GREECE 263 Posts |
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On Mar 19, 2014, Jack Straw wrote: It seems that there isn't anything significant for you to comment about all the previous posts of this thread. It also seems that you are learning fast. So, welcome and join us to the dawn of newspaper printing! Regards, Johannes Gutenberg
"Do not fear death so much, but rather the inadequate life". BERTOLT BRECHT
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Andrew J. K. Loyal user GREECE 263 Posts |
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On Mar 19, 2014, Garbo wrote: PLEASE NOTE: To avoid the likelihood of one more misunderstanding, by asking in my latest post to you whether you have ever bought any magic effect that cost you 1.81 or 18.04 quids, I was clearly referring to products you have purchased by now from any magic dealer based in your country, UK. As you have already guessed, exchange currency rates are excluded! Lol! All th best, Andrew
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Andrew J. K. Loyal user GREECE 263 Posts |
To end this little, yet annoying conflict betweem me and some other gentlemen, here are my previous posts
which were copied and pasted below by me in order to make a new happy and interesting start for all those who happened to be impatient or simply didn't have much time to read all the pages of this thread from its starting point to the end. However I personally encourage anyone who will visit this thread from now on, to read patiently all the pages from the first to the 15th or whichever the current one will be at that moment. "All I can say about Atlas' and Andrew's ebook is WOW! We're dealing here with an absolutely amazing and brilliant thinking behind the hidden in plain site psychological path you guide the spectators to, until the final result and the unexpected great climax is reached. I have to agree that this is by far the best ebook of 2013! IMHO, in my eyes it looks like it could be even the official trick of the year (2013) IF ONLY... -it had been released a few months before INFERNO since we have to condiser that it's an ebook and the great majority of them that circulate among all of us (magicians and mentalists) tend to be less commercial than other products which usually come with an instructional DVD and gimmck(s) and are also very lucky to have a big company name behind their production and distribution. -it has been advertided and distributed in the same fair way other magic products have. Atlas and Andrew, I think that you have to improve your PR and marketing skills... OK, I'm just kidding! Bottom line: The CRUSADE is the most psychologically interactive and very interesting ACAAN plot I've ever seen. However I have to warn all potential buyers: you have to be patient, it's something that you can't perform right out of the box. You need to study thoroughly every subtlety, nuance and wording in general in order to accomplish your goal which, believe me, it's really well worth it. And don't forget to practice, practice, practice and rehearse. Go out and perform it to the real world. Then, relax and enjoy their speechless reactions... This is so close to real mind reading and that's not hype! My congrat to Atlas and Andrew. Thank you guys for releasing this real gem of mentalism! Warmest regards, Andrew" AND HERE IS THE SECOND ONE: "I just forgot to clarify that I own INFERNO as well and it is really an awesome piece of mentalism, thanks to Joshua Jay. However it is using props to accomplish it's goal in comparison with THE CRUSADE which needs only a specific verbal communication path that leads you directly and unexpectedly to the final reveal of the "thought" of card by a spectator that can be found in a specific position in the deck according to an other spectator's named sort "thought" of number, before even the main verbal procedure has begun. Ok, besides the verbal communication procedure, there is a little bit handling of the deck. By that I mean the simplest handling of a deck of cards (i.e. dealing). I assure you that it definitely does not require any sleight. Even the easiest one in card magic... Despite the fact that I added quatation marks to the words THOUGHT above, I'd like to mention that the performer does know at any time neither the card (color, suit, value) of the first spectator nor the number the second spectator has in his mind! To avoid any misunderstanding, I'd like you to know that I voted INFERNO as the official trick of the year. There is definitely a reason for it. Simply put, the respective contest was about the official TRICK of the year. Not the official effect of the year, since there is a big difference between those two meanings. Unlike INFERNO which by the way has a great impact towards the audience you are performing to, I simply DO NOT consider THE CRUSADE as a trick. THE CRUSADE is a true miracle in the right hands. Enough said... Wish you all the best, Andrew AND HERE IS ATLAS' REPLY: "Andrew and Rolyan - it is great to read your feedback! Andrew - I don't know how I missed your posts, but I did. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, they were very kind. And I agree with you: The Crusade isn't a standard trick, it can go a long way toward establishing your credibility with your audience. Rolyan, it made me smile when you said that it flew past knowledgeable magicians. Well done - That means that you are presenting it correctly and I think it just goes to show how special the right presentation can be. Thank you both so much for taking the time to post about your experience with The Crusade. In fact, I appreciate all the posts here. And Andrew, if you liked the "thinking behind the hidden in plain site psychological path you guide the spectators to, until the final result and the unexpected great climax is reached", keep an eye out for 'Train Tracking'. Best, Atlas" Hope this helps. Peace at last!
"Do not fear death so much, but rather the inadequate life". BERTOLT BRECHT
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Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4187 Posts |
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On Mar 19, 2014, Garbo wrote: The significance of that number is that David Berglas originally came up with the idea for the ACAAN plot at 18:04 on a rainy Thursday evening Mark |
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