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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
This has me really miffed. I think the effect is virtually identical in premise and method to my diary effect. My only point in the thread (pay particular attention to page four), is that he could have at least asked for permission.
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......=218&100 What do you guys think? |
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DrTodd Inner circle 1976 Posts |
You most definitely have a valid point.
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MatCult Inner circle 1518 Posts |
Looks like it's Chronologue but printed onto a calendar card instead of a diary. Asking permission would seem the right thing to have done.
It seems a very 'magicy' version of the effect too.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Yes. He's just substituted calendar cards for pocket diaries and turned a mental effect into a magic trick.
And while he does credit me in the instructions, it is simply a mention of my name along with a lot of other people who put out diary effects. The big difference in mine, though, was that it doesn't use a deck of cards as the other versions do. THAT is what I think made my effect different. I think the thread is instructive though. Watch the video linked to in the first post and then watch my presentation on page four. I think that adequately shows the difference between magic and mentalism. |
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vigi New user 70 Posts |
Doesn't Simon Aaronson has a similar version of this ripoff in his "Simply Simon", using small calendar cards too?!
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Sven Rygh Inner circle Oslo, Norway. 1945 Posts |
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On 2013-08-01 04:00, mastermindreader wrote: I wholeheartedly agree!
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1908 Special user 882 Posts |
I totally agree! Mr.Cassidy, I believe you should do something this time. I wish I could say more about some rip-off "producers" and how they rip-off other creators ideas just for profit. We do not want these gangsters in our community, they do not love or respect our art and our ethics...!!!
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Not much I can do. It's not patented and there's no copyright violation. It's just a matter of simple respect for other peoples creations.
Sadly, on the Latest and Greatest thread linked to above, I've been accused of "torpedoing" it and being "small." But I appreciate those who have offered their support. The irony is that I probably WOULD have granted permission if he'd simply asked me. |
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george1953 Inner circle Mallorca (Spain) 5943 Posts |
It is common courtesy to ask for permission, it costs nothing and is usually granted anyway so everyone is happy, the only thing we can do is make people aware of it and ask that they ignore this seller in future.
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rasp Inner circle 1124 Posts |
Why not just take it up with him directly?
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
Wow, it's not just you, I agree with your valid point, this sounds like the same and seems as if no respect, credit or permission comes into play here.
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thecharlatan New user 95 Posts |
Agree with you rasp. I don't know what this thread is for if not to try and create an angry mob and to make Mr Cassidy feel better. It is a matter for the two gents to sort between themselves, surely?
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
Its to show solidarity and a sense of openess with a community...
I've asked to be banned
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
I'm with you on this one Bob!!!! What can I do?
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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David Thiel Inner circle Western Canada...where all that oil is 4005 Posts |
"Small?"
An idea taken, used and sold without the creator's permission has been stolen. Period. If someone steals a concept and the creator of that concept raises attention to the theft, it's not "small" at all. It's simply done in an expectation that a professional community will respond. Bob: you have a valid point. I can't even see how anyone can debate this. David
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Martin Pulman Inner circle London 3399 Posts |
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On 2013-08-01 09:22, IAIN wrote: Got it. Magic is a unique market. Customers are at the mercy of creators being honest in their ad copy as we cannot see the product in advance (or even, on occasion, know WHAT the product is), and cannot usually get our money back if we are dissatisfied. Creators are at the mercy of rip-off merchants, as there appears to be no copyright laws in effect. It's like the Wild West. So we have to stand together as a community to, in effect, self-police it. I nominate Bob for sheriff! |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
Quote: Common procedure here for creators and consumers. There is a distinct difference concerning peoples outlook of both exposure and reproduction of others ideas. It's a moral choice of legalized thievery.On 2013-08-01 06:37, mastermindreader wrote:
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2013-08-01 07:27, rasp wrote: If he'd have contacted me and asked for permission, that is exactly what would have happened. |
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David Thiel Inner circle Western Canada...where all that oil is 4005 Posts |
I am constantly surprised at the inability some have to understand that piracy in ANY form hurts and weakens the whole community...not just the original creator.
David
Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Except bears. Bears will kill you.
My books are here: www.magicpendulums.com www.MidnightMagicAndMentalism.com |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I posted this on the other thread:
I just received a very nice message on FaceBook from Titanis, in which he acknowledges that they should have contacted me and asked for permission. He apologized and I accepted it. This has now been resolved and I've retroactively granted him permission to use my idea in this effect. ________________________________________________________________________________ Like I said, all they had to do was ask. The effect is clearly the same as mine but made to fit entirely within a wallet. |
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