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On May 12, 2017, marc_carrion wrote:
You will need to wait a while for a deep review... the book is packed with tips... there is much dedicated to Woody's stack. But there are lots of stack independent tricks. A whole section on half stack, and a whole section on Siamese stack... you don't know what that is... get the book... it's a game changer. And you don't need to know Woody's stack to go into the siamese, you can do that with Tamariz or with Aaronson. If you like Woody's A book in english, and you like his poker demonstrations/spellings/... you should learn his stack ( a secret... don't tell anyone... you can learn half of it only )


The half stack is really a game changer for magicians like me, never able to complete to remember all 52 cards in a stack. I have to admit that no matter what method even including apps on stacks release in recent years my memory just cannot have solid lock on cards after the first 30 cards...

Woody strategy to build on his stack while many effects can be done by just using first 26 cards really a strong point to popular his stack after his book Memorandum release in the future. I already heard this and my friend live in Scotland showed me his stack a few years ago but I have no clue what it can be achieve at that time. Now just glance through words wrote in the book I am so exciting to see how this journey goes.
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Hi Steve, I wouldn't say that the half stack is a game changer, that was published in Mnemonica, and it predates Tamariz. Woody's half stack is different, because of the thought that it went into which cards should be in that first half. And then he reveals the Siamese stack, I think that worth the price of the book (and more). But let's not reveal here what that means Smile let people get the book or miss it Smile

I got the memory arts book too at the same time, and I have to say I'm less than impressed... yes, it works to memorize the stack, but it's not half as effective than rote memory. The techniques in Mnemonica are still my favorite. That's how I learned Tamariz's stack and it's still in my head with direct association... with memory arts, it takes me several steps to recollect a card, yes, I can remember them, but I have to do several steps in my head, and the whole 1-2, 3-4, 5-6 for different locations is not working for me
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I wonder how similar Siamese stacking is to my Parallel stack. I"m excited for Woody's book! With my stack its possible to transfer into the Parallell arrangement quickly from the standard stack sequence.

It's looking like a wonderful release!
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Hi Steve, I wouldn't say that the half stack is a game changer, that was published in Mnemonica, and it predates Tamariz. Woody's half stack is different, because of the thought that it went into which cards should be in that first half. And then he reveals the Siamese stack, I think that worth the price of the book (and more). But let's not reveal here what that means Smile let people get the book or miss it Smile

I got the memory arts book too at the same time, and I have to say I'm less than impressed... yes, it works to memorize the stack, but it's not half as effective than rote memory. The techniques in Mnemonica are still my favorite. That's how I learned Tamariz's stack and it's still in my head with direct association... with memory arts, it takes me several steps to recollect a card, yes, I can remember them, but I have to do several steps in my head, and the whole 1-2, 3-4, 5-6 for different locations is not working for me


Marc thank you for your info, I agree totally and actually Tamariz already explore the half stack in Mnemonica as well. It is just Woody further developed this feature and made Memorandum even more user friendly when the lower half can be shuffled by spectators while maintain many effects still available on half stack. More importantly I can really sense Woody already stressed the fact he will constantly refer to Mnemonica throughtout the book on footnotes, which made me consider these two books should be study along together.

You can see how deep my admiration and respect on Spanish School by by avatar actually.
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On May 18, 2017, Patrick Redford wrote:
I wonder how similar Siamese stacking is to my Parallel stack. I"m excited for Woody's book! With my stack its possible to transfer into the Parallell arrangement quickly from the standard stack sequence.

It's looking like a wonderful release!


Patrick, your stack is really fantastic and I'm enjoying it much. Woody's stack is a bit poker deal heavy for my liking as that just doesn't excite me. I know your stack also has a bunch of poker deals built in and following the facebook group you set up the new holdem deals that were posted look interesting but dealing demonstrations arent for me.

The Siamese stack is not anything like your parallel stack as it requires a second deck of cards.

Thanks for releasing your work with your stack!
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My local magic shop has both Memorandum and TOOO in stock. That's the good news.

I have tried several times to memorise Tamariz' stack, either losing it halfway or altogether. Since I am not a professional, I don't have the luxury of regularly working with a stack to keep it locked in.

As such, both Memorandum and TOOO appeal to me, either for the half-stack ideas or the point of being able to setup the stack without having it memorised.
I am leaning towards the latter, but I would love some feedback from those with similar experiences.
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I don't have Woody's stack but in terms of memory it's possible to do much without memorizing it! I found Redford's stack easy to memorize as there are features built in that let the order be memorized by only knowing ten cards in the stack. From those ten positions its possible to work out where everything else is if hard memory fails. He specifically suggests you don't do this but I found this really appealing.
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I meant to say "I don't have Woody's stack memorized!" Don't get old!
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Thanks, Tincture.

Since my last post, Redford's book has gone out of stock at my local shop, so fate may have decided for me. At least which book will be first. ;-)

I was watching Murphy's live Q&A with Woody yesterday, and I loved the insights into his way of learning a stack and teaching others to do so. Admittedly, I've only ever tried hardcore rote memory, so that may very well be the reason nothing stuck with me.
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I'm only two chapters into the book but I am loving it so far. And there are a few points of observation:

1. Many people's major concern (when deciding whether or not to buy this book) seems to be whether the tricks therein are stack dependent. To me this is a non-issue. Having read the beginning chapters, even if the tricks require you to use Woody's stack, and even if you don't intend to learn the new stack, there is just so much knowledge, experience and insight about memorized deck in general. There is a good dose of material and insight to enhance what you are doing with whatever memorized deck you are already using. Moreover, there are some interesting features specific to this stack (e.g. first 15 cards, 10 card poker, poker demonstrations, etc)

2. As Steven Leung mentioned in a couple of posts above, this book feels like an 'extension' to the Mnemonica book. It supplements some of the history and background of development, which is valuable to anyone who wish to study stack work. I love that book so I naturally love this one also.

3. Personally I am not afraid of memorizing another stacked deck, especially given how Woody helps you remember his stack in his book. I have not committed myself full time to remembering the stack yet, but just upon reading parts of the book, I already start to remember some of the cards and their associated positions. For those who have also read this book, you may understand what I mean. You simply cannot forget some of the cards and their respective positions!

Hoping I have more time soon to go on with my reading!
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Fantastic news. I am buying the Spanish version the moment it is available--I can't imagine waiting even a few months for the English! I'm a bit disappointed that he's changed his stack (based on the fact that it clearly shows 9S as the 52nd card now, along with the "sobre las modifierciones en el orden" part, which would indicate some significant changes) as I've been using his in tandem with the Tamariz stack since his long-out-of-print release of "Cosas Mías" (which this new book appears to pull from greatly as their table of contents read very similar--to the point that I think this new book could be considered a revised/extended version of Cosas Mías.)

I will admit to being secretly disappointed at seeing Carta de Seguridad potentially being released in English. While I've altered my presentation of it over the years, it has always served as a fantastic effect for lay people and--perhaps even more satisfying--absolutely blown the mind of other Tamariz stack workers once they realize the resulting situation (usually resulting in them begging me to do it again/give more information on the effect/etc... which I've rarely conceded to). It's great that this and other concepts originally taught in Cosas Mías (such as mnemónica siamesa, etc...) are potentially coming to English, though. Perhaps now I'll finally have someone to share work on the principles/effects with!


Just to pick up something that PA mentioned back in 2014, have you received your English translation yet PA? Reason I ask is I assume the change in stack, to try and remain fairly cryptic, is what Woody mentions about the black suits? As a long time user of Mnemonica I am just evaluating if it is worth me, if I was to start memorising Woody's stack (or at least half-stack) to memorise with the original setting, so then when transitioning too and from using Security Card or Faro's etc. I can keep Mnemonica as the original, and Memorandum as the old version if that makes sense!

This does pose some problems or advantages (depends on how you look at it!) of its own for anyone looking to do this, especially what happens with the first 8 cards!

Anyway just some random thoughts from a Mnemonica user as I start working my way through the book, I am so used to shuffling into that faro-4 configuration anyway for Mnemonica that the ability to get to either Mnemonica or Memorandum from that point is very enticing!
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I did indeed get the English version of Memorandum, Rich. Preordered it the second I was able to. The additions are wonderful, and there's excellent new thinking in there that will take a long time to unpack fully. But, you bring up the question I've been wrestling with: is it worth it to me to switch to the new version? As a hardcore Mnemonica user, the new "situation" when going from Woody's stack to Mnemonica gives me pause.

Chances are that, given the fact I know how to get into his old stack, know the modifications to prep it for Carta de Seguridad, and have the aforementioned trick down cold to get into Mnemonica... when the situation calls for using Woody's stack, I'll likely just use the old one.
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Helloooo,

Thank you everybody for your support to Memorandum. I though that a book about memorized deck, and explaining an specific stack, it would have enough sales but not as massive as I found. I just knew we sold more than 1000 copies in 15 days!

Yesterday I did a live Q&A with Luke Dancy. If you have doubts about the book you can look for the video in youtube.

I don't want to spoil too much. But, for Rick and PA: second paragrah if page 352 Smile There I explain I use in fact the "old" order and the reasons. I think it's ok for people that use mnemonica and don't want to "cut threads", to use it in that way. But I changed it cause I honesyly think the "official" version is the best for 99% of magicians. Everything is explained in the book and probably you know the reasons now Smile

A hug from Spain!


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Yesterday I did a live Q&A with Luke Dancy. If you have doubts about the book you can look for the video in youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qAs3_HLSj4
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Hello Woody!! that is amazing, 1000 copies in 15 days!!! I'm one of the lucky buyers and I'll be in NC this November for the workshop at Trics Smile I hope to be able to assimilate at least 10% of the book by then Smile it has soooooo much content!!! I'm glad that you broke it into two parts Smile

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Any idea when the second part will be coming out?
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