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mndude
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I'm interested in making a fireball appear in my hand. Here's what I'm thinking of doing:

I would mix rubbing alcohol with salt so it creates an orange fire instead of a blue flame. Then, I would I would soak my hand in the substance. Lastly, I would use a device like Pyrofreak to magically cause my hand ignite.
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Let's see...
You are asking if lighting your hand on fire is safe.

I think you know the answer.
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Well, alcohol by itself should be safe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2DG2PeEsBI. But I'm wondering if it would continue to be safe after adding salt to the alcohol. Also, if pyrofreak would work to ignite it.
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Are you serious?! That is just awesome!!
Are you watching closely?
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If you do it shoot a video to show.
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I've been experimenting with this, and man it gets hot so fast! I wonder how the guy in the video does it for so much time. I'll keep you updated, and hope to have a video when it's perfected.
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I know there is something called Cold Fire that can be used on one finger, but not your whole hand. It has been used on fire gloves to dove, that was available years ago. It has to be held erect and not be an any kind of angle. Also it cannot be used outside do to wind. It was only available from Europe anyway.

I have to say, you sound very stupid to try anything like this.
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You can light it as long as you can extinguish it. My dad does this sometimes (not as a trick, but more a stunt, but always has the sink running.
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I can't believe this is how I am going to use up my 100th post on the forum but here goes....
I completely agree with Bowers.... "If you do it shoot a video to show."
I'm not sure but I think Bowers and I both have the same thing in mind here... neither of us want to miss out on this moment of astonishment you are about to create and you really should share something like that with the rest of the world.... not just the magic community. Is that about right Bowers??

Here's another example of such an experiment (fake video, but you'll get the idea)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAES5SXUwVU

Enjoy and good luck!
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Dip your hand in a bucket of ice so you can make the flames stay longer in your hand. That is what I used to do with the Alpha Flaming Gloves effect.
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Wow, just wow! Awesome? Awesomly dangerous. Shoot a video? Sure go ahead so that the insurance company can subpoena it and use it s evidence in court to deny your claim. Put some of these replies in with the video if you want to bolster their case against you.
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There are many precautions stunt men can take to protect themselves from getting burned doing a fire stunt, and most if not all of them are impracticable for a magician to do in the middle of a performance. Therefore, the temptation is there to take shortcuts. which risks injury to the magician, just to pull off an effect that most venues won't allow you to do on their premises anyway.
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What would the context of this be? You can't just have a fireball suddenly appear for no reason.
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This might work as an option: http://bit.ly/1wjLvob
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I can't imagine anything more unwise than attempting what you are suggesting. So many things can go wrong with burning liquids and flesh that it boggles the mind. Make sure you have good medical and life insurance if you try doing this stunt and don't do it with other people--especially children--watching near by.
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Buy a product called....fire Kit....you can then set your hand on fire without burning your self
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I know this is an old thread and the people who posted previously have probably either gone on to other ventures or whatever, but in case anyone else decides this is a good idea -

Having a small amount of rubbing alcohol or white gas on the skin which you light and then extinguish isn't a huge deal. Fire performers do it all the time. In relative terms, these are not super hot fires and the bulk of the heat isn't at the base where your skin is. You run into trouble when the fuel runs out and the skin is taking the brunt of the heat damage/igniting itself.

However, as soon as salt is added you're changing the game. Molten salt is very, very hot and will do damage very quickly.

I strongly advise against the OP's plan.
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When I was a teenager (eons ago!) I broke in on a ten in one (carnie sideshow) If one could do two different acts, one's salary would be higher. I did magic, and, after learning from an experienced fire eater, I did fire, plus, I could "lecture" on the "big snake" (15' python). So! I KNOW about FIRE!

BEFORE you start "playing with fire", READ THE ENTIRE THREAD ABOVE! THEN SEEK PERSONAL INSTRUCTION FROM AN EXPERIENCED TECHNICIAN. THEN, BUY LOTS OF INSURANCE, FOR YOURSELF, THE SPECTATOR'S, AND THE BUILDING IN WHICH YOU ARE PERFORMING.
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Years ago I used to juggle produced fire balls and used alcohol successfully. Overloaded balls that dripped also ignited my hand a time or two within ill effect. However those were the days before I knew better. I learned that ignition of the balls could be difficult and that electronic means would not work without some VERY BAD side effects. The blue flames, also have a problem being seen under spotlights -- so when I investigated changing the color (salt WOULD fry your hand) I discovered just how dangerous using that chemistry can be.

DO NOT DO THIS! And single, minute moment of carelessness of forgetfullness can not only ruin the effect, but also your health and life. PLUS -- use of flame today (even simple candles) IS CONTIOLLED BY FIRE REGULATIONS (different venues, different regs, including having a fire extinguisher at hand). AND A PERMIT from local fire departments. IN non-public venues (such as private parties at home) the danger of nearby substances and fabrics being set alight is an essential consideration not to be discounted.

I know I must sound like a fuddy-duddy with this warning -- but I was a license pyrotechnician for a number of years -- and also ran into situations where shows were stopped or cancelled AFTER someone tried to sneak in open flame effects in the first performance of a run without permits or meeting specific rules.

I bemoan the loss of fish paper, smoke effects and candles in the work and I know LED's do not suffice to bring in the primitive feelings that fire of any type evokes. But, avoiding them without permits and even the cost of simple permits might be the difference in how you create your show with or without fire. If the 7 seconds of flash in the one time show worth the time and effort of getting a permit, carrying an extinguisher, etc. etc.?
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