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Richard Fuehrer
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Over the years there have been many different routines for Cut and Restored Rope.

What do you think is best (or your favorite) for today's more savvy audiences?
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Did you do a search in our recently fixed search engine on the Café, this question has been answered in one form or another many times. There is actually only 3 methods to the cut and restored rope trick. All totally fool audiences young and old. Age has nothing to do with it, as classic tricks are considered classic because they are 100% foolers and also entertaining.

To answer your question, the best is the Sterling Short and Long Rope trick. If you want to just do the cut and restored, that will work, but th short and long feature make is funny and more entertaining.
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Hi Bill,

Sorry for the redundant question. I'm very new to the Café, and not up to speed yet on how to go about things. (I was wondering why it the post got such meager response, but you've given me one reason).

At any rate, thanks so much for sending your reply, and giving me your thoughts on this trick. I was very encouraged by your opinion that the old, standard tricks are still mystifying and entertaining to today's more knowledgeable audiences.

Thanks again,

--Richard
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Bill: Is the Sterling effect a marketed effect, or can it be found in one of the books, like the Abbott's Encyclopedia or Tarbell, etc?
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I will "differ" with old friend Bill just a wee bit re: Harold's S&L.

I knew Harold back in the '50s. He was an "old pro" in the finest sense of the term. He had a shop (in Detroit), but he also was a perfoming magician on the road. I saw him do a school show, and although it would be a trifle "old fashioned" by today's "standards", it was ENTERTAINING!

Harold never thought of the S&L as a cut/restored. For him, it was a highly entertaining bit of "frustration" business with two boys. At the end of the routine, in order to give it a finish, he restored the rope. --But the restoration was almost a "PS". The Abbott instruction sheet is printed on a sheet of paper about 24" x 24"!!! Harold gives you all the "SCHTICK".--AND, THAT IS WHAT IS IMPORTANT!!!

MIKE::: Fitzkee's book ("ROPE ETERNAL" aka: "The only S I X WAYS TO RESTORE A ROPE" )does an excellent *=(& DETAILED!) analysis of the various technique).

I never liked the Edw. Victor method of switching ends--the dirty work was done after the performer had focussed attention on "THE" spot where the move had to be done. IMHO, bad technique. I finally found in an old Hugards Monthly a "tip" that took off the sting. I'll look it up and give a reference when I get home from the hospital.

For years, I've emphasized this "improvement" in my lectures. (plua several other "clean ups" that make the c/r routine a feature! I'll put them in the book (which is almost finished (Deo Gratias!) I'll include Jack Chanin's timing of the knot steal, his technique for coiling the "cut" piece, and his final ditching of the "knot". Also, I will include the "Convincer Count", (which got me a STANDIING OVATION when I lectured for Frances Marshall's "HARD CORE LECTURE GROUP".)
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I would suggest that the MagicIan variation of dropping the outside rope end after making the f*k* *o*p really makes a difference.

I would also offer that the approach used in RemCut falls outside of the limits of either the "3" or the "6" methods mentioned above.
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DICK:

I'd better be near the top of the list to receive that book, my friend! Smile
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Trust me,.......if anyone knows how to ENTERTAIN with a rope....it's Dick Oslund!!!
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Rick": Thanks for the compliment! --but, seriously, I'm still learning! (When you're through learning--you're through!)

It all started when Bob Blue loaned me his copy of Ralph Hull's "FIFTEEN MINUTES WITH A PIECE OF ROPE" back in 1946. Then,a few months later, Roy Shrimplin passed along the Joe Ovette "REPEAT KNOTS". So, I "blame" the honorable Mr. Hull and Joe Ovette for my fascination with this ultimately simple prop. --Oh,Gene Gordon must share the blame for introducing me to Bob Carver's brilliant Professor's Nightmare in 1959. Then, Karrell Fox "tweaked" Carver's gem with a Gen Grant concept!

I can't begin to credit ALL of the performers who have shared bits 'n' pieces over the past 65 years, but I must also mention JACK CHANIN.who, in one afternoon, changed my thinking about rope (as a prop).

Rope (the prop) meets ALL of my criteria!
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Dick: Are you out of the hospital now? And I still haven't shown you the "Rope Bit" that my first mentor, Gene DeVoe taught me........you'll love it....Smile
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Arrived home last night, but it will take a bit of time to be 'up to speed'!

Gene DeVoe waa a dear friend. We "worked" a SHOWBOAT together about 25 years ago. Yes! I would appreciate very much your aharing!

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Welcome home! Glad you're out and doing better........
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Glad to hear you are on the mend, Dick...you had us all worried, my friend!
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Welcome back Dick !

I'm very happy to read that you're back home and doing better.


Oliver.
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Good to be "free"! I received very good care in the VA hospital==but "they' sure can't make a good cup of coffee!!!

--and, THANKS to all those who sent cards, letters, and PMs, plus expressed "Get Well or Else" on the Café!
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Dick, I wish you a good recovery and a magical x-mas time. I am happy that the experienced wise teacher is back with us.
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Glad your out.Hope you recover quick my friend.
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So glad you are on the mend for the holidays, Dick!



I highly recommend The Mongolian Pop-Knot:

http://youtu.be/lUMOkWUM7yI
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I think that Bob Csrver would be very pleased with the Mongolian Pop-Knot!

Back in '70, Denny Loomis and I developed a routine that started with Ken Allen's "IF YOU LIKE IT" routine and segued (via the Slydini Nightmare Cut) into a PN followed by a bluff restoration (before CONWAY). I used it to open the high school program for about ten years.

It wss very strong, but if I were working today, I would use the MONGOLIAN!!!

Funsway::: When I cut the bight (ED VICTOR)I don't drop the fresh cut end. (I don't like the uneven lengths). Instead, I grab the fresh cut end, and PULL it down until it "meets" the other end.

Also, I use an idea from Leon Maguire in an old Hugard Monthly, before I do the cut. (time misdirection) I'll write it up in "the book".
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I think the OP asks an interesting question… he hasn’t just asked what’s your favourite... or what’s the best... he has asked the question in the context of todays audience. In an age where I can be on a bus and watch, on a small portable device, someone cutting and restoring a piece of rope in real time on the other side of the planet it’s hard for me to get into my head that the cutting and restoring of the rope being most interesting part of that scenario. (the most unlikely part of that scenario is me sitting on a bus!)

My point being, and presumably the point the OP was making, cutting a piece of rope in half and putting it back together doesn’t feel like a big deal. I suspect there was a time not too long ago when it did seem like a big deal but it’s hard to imagine it having quite the same impact as it once did.

Of course the entertainment value of watching a good performer live adds, by a long way, the biggest factor to whether any cutting and restoring is appealing and engaging… but performer aside there are lots of methods and variations on how one can go about cutting a piece of rope in half and restoring it… I wonder if there are any methods that now seem less plausible or effective to modern eyes… or is every method still as good as it ever was?
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