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Dick Oslund
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I've read this entire thread. I started with the "original OP", and, even made several comments.

"...Enter noted magician to other magicians..." left me wondering what you were trying to say.
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See, you had to enter a noted magician to other magicians.


For instance: If I was a noted magician to other magicians you would have entered me.
I wouldn't have allowed it.
Magic is doing improbable things with odd items that, under normal circumstances, would be unnessecary and quite often undesirable.
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In the industry we call that a double entendre.

Seriously though, I'm married, and that still would make my prediction not untrue, as one other reader does not constitute the >%5
Magic is doing improbable things with odd items that, under normal circumstances, would be unnessecary and quite often undesirable.
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I DO read the posts regarding a trick that I do or am interested in! SmileHa! another Charlie Miller! --I used a preposition to end that sentence WITH!

Sorry Josh! Your "explanation" of that phrase, is totally incomprehensible. --At least to my old ears

Your opening remark did catch my attention. Your second "non sentence" didn't really "go anywhere"

I'm a bit too old to be "cool". I would like to understand what you are saying.

I've met Michael Finney, and I like his C&R rope routine, even though he uses the Victor trip loop method, which is inherently "marred", technically, by bad timing, in doing the trip loop. His PRESENTATION minimizes the move, IMO, and lay people seem to ignore it. He works to a different audience than I do. I couldn't do what he does, for my audiences.

I've never met Pop Haydn. I do have his hand written 4 ring routine that the late Hersy Basham gave me, years ago. Hersy said that Whit (then) had worked it out in Hersy''s living room.

The late Dennis Loomis and I had worked out a rope routine, which was greatly similar to Pop's "Mongolian", that we both used for about 5 or 6 SEASONS. I have no way of knowing (and, don't care!) if our routine preceded Pop's! I do know that Denny "broke the record" at Abbott's for the largest order for spools of rope, EVER. --i wasn't far behind!

I dropped the routine, when I finally developed a routine for the Nightmare that pleased me. A friend sent me Pop's booklet on the Mongolian. I LIKE POP'S BETTER THAN WHAT DENNY AND I HAD DEVELOPED. Pop is a "living example" of the old "proverb" >>>"It aint WHAT ya do, it's HOW ya do it"! <<<

Your next long paragraph is incomprehensible to me. --and, I am a fairly good writer, and reader!

I would like to emphasize that IMO, "...sliding the knot off the end..." is not a good way to restore the rope, (Even though many do that, including my good friend, Mac King. The late Jack Chanin (and, the late Pat Page) both had much better finishes, which we discussed many years ago.

So, your attempt to be a mentalist, is, I'm afraid, a failure! I'm only one person, BUT I read (and tried to UNDERSTAND) your entire post. As noted, I've read the the entire thread, 'cuz I've been doing C&R rope since 1946. I've learned a lot in the ensuing years, and, I'm always eager to learn more. (WHEN YOU'RE 'THROUGH LEARNING', YOU'RE THROUGH!
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As mentioned, George Sands' Sandsational Rope Routine is great...I always used it in my stage act...I knew George in both NJ and Phoenix, in fact, he personally taught me the routine...he and I both mentored the SYM group in Phoenix/Scottsdale...I can't complain, having both George and Ted Collins as teachers...they are missed...Smile
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Well, "MT"

You certainly 'traveled' in GOOD COMPANY!

For those who don't know, Corporal TED COLLINS won an award at the 1942 IBM convention for his "PANAMA ROPE TRICK". (It used the "square knot principle.")

George Sands brought a new concept to the C&R rope!
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Pop,
I watched a few of your performance videos.
Wow!
You are now my favorite magician. You bumped Bill Malone into second place.
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For my stand up comedy magic act I have been working on the cut and restored microphone cable. The audience likes it. Just make sure you tell the owner and DJ's what you are doing or they might have an heart attack.


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After watching Pop, apparently today's audiences still appreciate the magic of pixie dust! ps I've learned a lot reading this whole topic. It really makes me appreciate the Café! Lynn
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Well...my last woofle just ran away and joined the circus, so, I guess I'll need to call Pop and, find out where he gets his pixie dust!

Glad to hear that you found some useful information in these FOUR pages!!!

My late friend, Dennis Loomis, holds the "record" for a single rope purchase at Abbott's! (I'm not far behind!) I mentioned above in this thread, how we developed a C&R rope, and Nightmare routine back in the early '70s. We used about 7' of rope per show. When one is doing an average of 350+ shows per school year, that's a "whole bunch" of rope!

Next to a deck of cards (and, maybe a few coins) a "hunk" of rope is IMO, one of the most versatile "props"!

--Restoration, penetration, production, vanish, transformation, transposition, "levitation" (Indian rope trick) and, even "juggling" (knot stuff and, my YOYO! +, rope tricks/routines, generally meet all of my criteria: visual effect(s) visible prop, versatile effect(s), angle proof, recognizable prop, little or no set up, no table needed, spot adaptable, packs small and light, and, windproof!

My friend & mentor, the late Roy Mayer, used the late Joe Ovette's "Repeat Knots" in his school show, as his second trick, one season. In a military boarding
school (naval curriculum, not army) he got a STANDING OVATION from the high school kids, on his SECOND TRICK! Roy told me, that he really had to "hustle" to get the show "started" again!!!

The late Milbourne Christopher, toured with a short act of rope tricks in the '40s, and was very successful!
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Don't forget rope can be used for escapes as well, the Keller Rope Tie comes to mind. I think Harry Blackstone made a feature of it in his big stage shows, both Senior and Junior. There is even a little booklet, 33 Rope Ties and Chain Releases.
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Hi Bill!

Right! Thanks for reminding! I was typing in a hurry, and forgot to include "escapes".

When I was 13, and saw Harry Blackstone Sr's. show in Milwaukee, the Kellar Tie really "grabbed" me! Shortly after, I ordered Percy Abbott's "version" ("Wrist Tie Supreme" --$1.00)

I used it very successfully through my teen years. Even today, the long rope for the Professor's Nightmare is "standing by" for the wrist tie!. Occasionally, on the road, the assembly bureau would book a family "evening show". I could easily pad out the 45 minute assembly program, to 60 minutes. --The wrist tie, Dante's "Lazy Magician" which needed the Professor's Nightmare "long" rope, the two "silks" from the vanishing square knot, an extra long rope, and the 2 silks that were used for the Sympathetic Silks, plus the Lyle's Paper Hat, and/or the Card in Balloon, easily filled the time. (My "version" needed only a deck of cards, 3 balloons, and the George McAthy Insurance Policy.

I saw Harry's show on his final tour in '45. I had a front row, aisle seat. I "volunteered" for the "committee". Standing next to that tired old man, when he stole the man's watch, I got a good lesson in showmanship!!! That was the weekend that I met Nick Ruggiero, and, Dick Berry. They were assistants that year.
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A couple of (three, actually) thoughts here regarding Rope Magic:

(1) In my opinion, every serious magician should own a copy of Abbott's Encyclopedia of Rope Magic....there is a wealth of wonderful, practical information about the art of performing rope magic there that will last you a lifetime! Besides, rope is the "nearly perfect" Magic prop!

(2) In addition to the above, I suggest finding everything you can written on rope Magic by George Sands.....

(3) It's a rarity to show my friend Dick Oslund anything he hasn't seen before in Magic...especially Rope Magic! But when I showed him the late Gene DeVoe's version of Cut and Restored Rope...he liked it....A LOT! Basically, DeVoe's Cut and restored rope starts out in the "standard" rope cut, and ends with Gene's "knot through neck" bit, where you display the knot in the middle of the rope, put the rope behind your head, moving it back and forth, and ending "spitting out" the knot....It's a Keeper!
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I don't know if this knot has been mentioned...

Way back, maybe 25 or 30 years ago, I bought something called "Magic Works Top Knot" by Jesse Judge. It's not a routine, but it's an effect you can use in your routine. If you want, you can slide the knot on the rope. Then by grasping the cut ends the knot can be tugged on by the spectator and magician, and the knot seems to tighten on the rope. And then the magician pops the knot off the rope by pulling on the one cut end that allows that to happen. You can toss the knot out for inspection if you like.
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That sounds interesting! I'll PM you as soon as I can find a free minute, to discuss it.
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Been using this routine for stage and close up professionally for years. Always a crowd pleaser-

https://youtu.be/1kVA4XgFNP8?t=2m36s
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