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It was cerated by Chris Capehart. He didn't smoke , so instead of vanishing a lit cig, he used the ## to vanish a small silk. It was his very first "trick" he used on Broadway in NYC. You can check the old catalogs and books and there is no mention of using a ## for the silk vanish. It's Mr. Capeharts innovation.
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I've met Chris at Abbott's about 10-12 years ago, We didn't really get "acquainted", but had a brief conversation. BTW he did a fine lecture, and he "caught" Jay Marshall with a ring move!

I'm very interested in your statement that he was the first to do the silk in TT van. Can you verify the approximate date??? BOBO showed it to me MANY years ago, when we were jackpotting in Chicago. J. B. didn't mention how long he had been doing it, but it wasn't 'new' to him.

Yr's, 'til the curtain closes!

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PS: Was there a previous post on this topic? If so, I missed it.
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I seem to recall that Jack Chanin's silk act--which was published many years ago--started with the production of a silk from a TT. I don't recall, though, whether he also vanished the silk or not.
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Yup...and Al Gore discovered the internet...err created it.
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Hey MagicDebbie, welcome to the Café'.
,..welcome to the Sidewalk Shuffle.
Your Post made me smile a bit,.. plesantly.
This past weekend, I was talking the same subject,..
to like EVERYONE I was running into(!).
,...buying milk at the gocery store,.. shoveling snow with my neighbor,.. cooking tea with my Missus.
You kinda let everyone hang, though, by not,...."telling the rest of the story".

I'm sure you'll pulling your info from Chris Capehart's interview, in Reel Magic.
You should say it,...
yeah folks,.. Chris Capehart gives this exact laydown, in this interview(!).
,..unbelievible.
An unbelievible interview,.. I totally believe!
(It's 20 some minutes,.. just about the Streets.
Nö pipe-dreams,.. his experiences,..
shot right between the eyes.
Really good.)

As He tells this "thumb-tip story", I had to gag a bit, as well,...
but then, as he goes on,.. and tells more,..
I believe him.

My favourite part of the Interview, is when Kozmo asks,
"So, like at this time, you and Jeff Sheridan were like the only guys playing the Streets in New York,.."
And Chris cuts him off and says,
"Nö, Nö. Jeff played IN THE PARK. I played on the Streets."

,from that point on,...
I believed everything he says,..
and he talks,..
with a confident smile.

,made my hair stand up,..
even the ones that are nö longer there(!).
smiling,..
and again,.. welcome,
gallagher.
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If I'm not mistaken isn't the silk vanish with a T.T. taught in the Tarbell course? It could just be the cig vanish but I want to say that the vanishing of a silk was also taught. I am out of state right now so I can't check to see.
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Never mind I just discovered that I am wrong so disregard my post above
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Gallagher, I'm not familiar with Real Magic. Chris told the story of how he started vanishing the silk with a ## at a lecture I attended many years ago. I picked up his notes "Doing It On The Streets" and that got me busking.

Is Chris Capehart a Café member? If so, it would be grand if he could expound on his story.
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DEBBIE>>>i'm NOT challenging your story -- or Chris's.

I'm merely curious. BOBO showed me what he was doing in his school show in 1975 (Chicago SAM Convention. J.B. did not claim ORIGINALITY, but the chances of Bobo,living in Texarkana TX, and working the surrounding states, seeing Chris in NYC are "astronomical"!

I started using it immediately.

In our business there are uncountable cases of "parallel thought.
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Dick Oslund, I believe Chris developed his vanishing silk in NYC, early 1970's. His birthday is this Sunday. If I get a chance to speak with him I'll ask.
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In Milbourne Christopher's 50 Tricks With A T.T. The Silken Dollar is taught ( Silk from Bill) as well as an appearing silk. There isn't a vanishing silk but it wouldn't be a far stretch for anyone to have come up with vanishing the silk by the same method. Christopher's booklet was published in 1948 so it would be logical that the vanishing silk using a T.T. had been done by at least the late 1940's early 50's if not before.
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I haven't been able to find the vanishing of a silk with a ## in any of the books, booklets or magazines I've researched.

I think it's a fun topic to talk about. I tried talking about magic in a tricks section and some people were so rude. Trolls and a little man with a short complex were all bent out of shape and trying to sound smart. Tsk-tsk!
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When was the Silk In Apple effect first marketed? That was an effect of Gene Elmo's I think it's always used a T.T. Maybe not it could have used a metal or plastic vile before the T.T. was added. If The Silk In Apple had always used a T.T. well then maybe there is our answer?

I just looked and Gene Elmo came up with the Silk in Apple in the 1930's so if a T.T. was always used in this effect, that would show that the vanishing silk using it has been done for at least 8 decades.
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Milbourn Christopher's Fifty Tricks with a Thumb Tip includes a silk production using a thumb tip. In this trick, the silk produced is just a corner, but the thinking is there. Also, Jean Hugard's Hankerchief Magic includes a similar finger tip routine. This books were originally published in 1948 and 1937, respectively. It seems that 20 or 30 years is a long span before someone took the next step ... Interesting thinking about the eveloution of such a simple trick!

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I love that everyone is doing research and sharing knowledge. I started doing a bill switch with a ## in the 1990's. I was surprised when researching that it was developed ( or released ) only in 1977 when Michael Kozlowski released Vladimir Vladimirov's creation as "The 100 Bill Switch". Chicago bar magcians were doing ##-less switches for decades. I would have thought using a ## would have been developed much earlier than 1977.
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I picked up the $100 bill swtch from Mike K, in Chicago in the early '70s, when I was working the Chicago area one Christmas. None os the Chicago guys was using a TT. I've never switched (!) to using a TT.

I read the Milbourne Christopher booklet about "50 years ago". I don't recall details, but the idea of using a scrap of silk in TT is ancient. (I have 'instruction sheets' printed on tiny SCRAPS OF PAPYRUS!!!) I BELIEVE that Burling Hull (sometimes called "Hurling Bull" by old timers)gets the credit for the use of the silk scrap as a "decoy" in the "Elusive Silk". (That's what Haroldl Rice called it)

I use Burling's basic technique regularly (I've done some adapting to make it easier)and plan to write up my handling in the book. It is practical for walk around gigs, as it resets automatically. I also use it in my 20th Century Silks routine--all I need to carry is the silks and a TT!)

Kindly express my "HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO HONORABLE CHRIS CAPEHEART" ==Tell him that BRAD LANCASTER sends same greetings!
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MagicDebbie where are you located at? Do we know each other? Have we met twice at a certain Burger Festival?
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>>>>>RS 1963>>>>>>>>>

For years, the metal TT was almost exclusively used for vanishing a lit cigarette BUTT in a handkerchief. MY first TT was barely an inch long -- and the paint job didn't match my skin either! Oh! it was used for Burling HULL'S "Elusive Silk" (vanish) but it was used to hold a scrap of silk, used as a 'decoy'.

So,the "standard metal TT before Vernet, was far too small to do the van.silk effect that Debbie is speaking of.

Petrie & Lewis' GOBLIN TUBE used an extra long metal TT to load a 12" silk into a small drumhead tube that had been examined -- and capped -- by a spectator. I don't remember for sure,but the extra long TT may have been used to VANISH THE 12" SILK! I also don't know, but Gene Elmo may have used a "Goblin TT" to do the apple.
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It is great seeing TT being disscused like this. I use one all the time it such a great prop. Often overlooked by to many Magicans. I think the humble TT has opened more doors and made me more money for me than any other prop I have ever had. Because of this I often refer to it as my Jedi prop! Does any one know who came up with the idea of TT?
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Yes, the "inventor's name is known!"

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(TO BE CONTINUED!)
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