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magicmerlz Loyal user 241 Posts |
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On Oct 3, 2014, MagicAtlas wrote: Hats off to you Atlas...a wonderful gesture, that as you already know has my full backing as an owner of TT already. |
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RedDevil Inner circle Deep South 1315 Posts |
Proud to be a part of a community that thinks like this...Prayers and blessings for David's family.
www.reddevilmentalism.com
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Daniel Meadows Veteran user Manchester, UK 392 Posts |
I've already replied with my full support for Atlas with this. If you haven't replied yet please do, and make this happen!
Cerberus Wallet, Equilibrium, Counterfeit, Deadly Marked Deck, Infamous, Instinct
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Mind Guerrilla Inner circle Queens, NY 2670 Posts |
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On Oct 2, 2014, Mind Guerrilla wrote: Anybody? |
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CL New user New York, NY 75 Posts |
What a wonderful idea. I'd certainly be interested in one of the 30 to support the family.
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insight Inner circle 3095 Posts |
Prayers and blessings to David's family! Great thinking, Atlas and friends!
Regards, Mike |
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Martin Pulman Inner circle London 3399 Posts |
Well, yesterday I finally got the chance to meet the wonderful Atlas Brookings, but more importantly, I had the honour of being Train Tracked by him!
There really is something special about participating in an effect with the original creator (Peter Turner's name reveal remains the single most powerful moment I've experienced as a close up participant). Despite the fact that we were in an incredibly noisy London pub on a busy Friday evening, and despite the fact that I already knew the method, Atlas amazed me with the power and fluency of his presentation. What was more amazing was that I actually screwed up in my own head, thought I had ruined the whole thing, only to see Atlas make a Canasta-like recovery. Much to my shame, I haven't had the time to master the effect, but any fear I had that it would feel procedure heavy disappeared when I experienced it. Atlas really did seem to be crawling around in my thoughts in the most remarkable fashion. The final reveal of your chosen word is simply the cherry on a many-tiered cake! Thank you Atlas! |
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Alwow Special user Los Angeles 544 Posts |
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On Nov 8, 2014, Martin Pulman wrote: Be careful Martin, next thing you know you'll have us believing propless clunky, twenty questions effects are the way to go... P.S. this is meant as sarcasm and not as a shot at anyone, their effects, or opinions
"Everything I show you is the truth... And the truth is the loveliest of lies"
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Mind Guerrilla Inner circle Queens, NY 2670 Posts |
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On Oct 5, 2014, Mind Guerrilla wrote: Anybody at all? |
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
No.
I've asked to be banned
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I've had Train Tracking since it was released, but until a few days ago I didn't feel ready to present it publicly.
Frankly, on first impression I agreed largely with Martin's initial view that it seemed "procedure heavy" and required too many mental gymnastics from both the participant and the performer. But seeing how much hard work Atlas put into developing this, and based on the positive things I was hearing from those who actually PERFORMED it, I felt it was only fair that I should actually learn it and try it in front of a live audience before weighing in with my opinion. (And the book itself was intriguing enough to keep me interested anyway.) As I read, I immediately saw how the basic concept could effectively enhance almost any revelation in mentalism, but I remained skeptical about how well it would play on its own, allowing a participant to merely think of virtually any word, name, location, etc. Normally I'm not a big fan of "no hands" "no props" mentalism, but, as I discovered during performance, Train Tracking is a truly powerful and convincing bit of mind reading. What seemed at first like too much "procedure" actually plays like genuine thought reading. It works fluidly and hits hard with multiple climaxes and revelations along the way. And I like it a lot. It's not easy to do well and I had to work hard with it to make it all second nature and seemingly extemporaneous. So I wouldn't recommend it for those who are not used to thinking on their feet or who are looking for an easy to do self-working "miracle" (even though there really is no such thing). But this is something that experienced performers should find very valuable indeed. I really look forward to seeing future work from Atlas Brookings. "Train Tracking" will be a hard act for him to follow, but I think we'll nonetheless be seeing great things from him in the years to come. So, thank you, Atlas for the invaluable tool that you have added to my working repertoire, and for proving that at least this old dog can still learn something new. Good thoughts, Bob Well done. |
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Gourmet Loyal user 289 Posts |
Knightly accolade for Train Tracking!
Makes me feel even more disappointed not having learned it (and probably never will). But you know , for every door that is shut a different one opens |
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robd Loyal user 251 Posts |
I'd be more than happy to show support and buy one, should this go ahead. Thoughts are with his family.
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genius Loyal user 285 Posts |
This echoes my sentiment accurately, as well. I'll be honest, this is not something that is surefire (at least based on my experience), and also this is not something that works consistently well just naturally, because yes the spectator can very likely assume that you are just playing a game of 20 questions. But, if presented well, then the procedure heavy approach actually just turns something that could have been perceived as mental gymnastics into something that appears impossible without all of the fis*i*g.
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RedDevil Inner circle Deep South 1315 Posts |
I have owned TT since the beginning, and I went my own direction on it. I now use TT exclusively for name reveals, and personally I would be very happy if most people dismissed this so that I can be one of the few in the world that can actually do this effectively. This is something that in the hands of a skilled presenter is just too good to be true. And like most mentalism, it is something that when performed badly can just be embarrassing.
Most people who have purchased the book have an unwritten agreement to not perform it on skype or for other mentalists. The reasons are varied, but speaking for me, it is more fun to perform it for a layman, and I don't want to educate anyone who is analyzing it for the method. This is based on an idea I have been playing with for a while, and I implemented it in a few effects in my own book (Good Samaritan and DeckwACAAN are two examples): essentially, propless mentalism, imho, works best when the spectator doesn't know they are participating in an effect at all. This is just the world according to me, but propless mentalism works best under the "2 Surprise Model" in a casual setting where the spectator thought they were just having a conversation. 1st Surprise happens when they have discovered that an impossible revelation is coming in the first place. They thought they were just participating in an interesting or emotional thought exercise or conversation. They now realize that you are going to give them much more. 2nd Surprise happens with the revelation itself. This is why I think "most' propless mentalism isn't the best for a stage or strolling setting. In those contexts, they are expecting a surprise from the get-go, and thus their analytical radars are turned on full blast. The casual mentalist setting also gives you more time to set the stage and implement your methods. They don't care that it takes so long...because...they don't realize yet you are doing anything. So they don't care. You're just talking...They think they are just talking and imagining a few things. This would be difficult to do in a stage or performance setting. In this "casual mentalism" model, which is reserved for conversational opportunities that fill the "rest" of our waking days, you utilize the relaxed setting of conversation to ensure their left-brains are shut down. You can get away with so much more by doing this, and I think it passes the common experience of people test. Then, when the 2 surprises have happened, they are much more difficult to backtrack. This is usually a very joyful experience for a spectator imho. So coming back full-circle, I use TT in this type of way. They have no idea when I ask them to think of a name that I am going to reveal it. So when I do, it is like an added jolt to the system. A huge surprise. And when I do fail to ascertain their name sometimes, they never know that I fail because I have already "been inside their head" so much, they are spinning. But not in an adversarial or instrusive way. Instead, it happens in a way that causes them to smile with astonishment. That's the experience I live for as a performer and creator of mentalism.
www.reddevilmentalism.com
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MrThomas Regular user Magdeburg 120 Posts |
Thanks RedDevil for that inspiring post! many valuable thoughts there.
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Martin Pulman Inner circle London 3399 Posts |
Great post RedDevil. I agree with everything you say. That is how I approach a lot of informal stuff. And the core technique used in TrTr has always struck me as perfect for name reveals, though I haven't found a method I'm entirely happy with yet.
I would say though, that I think TrTr may actually also be used very successfully during a stage performance. The way Atlas uses it on stage (which shall remain secret of course) is brilliant and could be pushed even further into something truly miraculous, I believe. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
That's where I first performed it- on stage. And, yes, just the basic idea is great for name reveals, book tests, or anything involving the revelation of thought-of information.
I'd just be careful not to over do it. Once in a show is all I'd ever do. |
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XyGreg New user 71 Posts |
For those who are afraid by the "procedure heavy" aspect of TT, (and not only for them :p), I'm thinking about how TT could be combined with a c*****-t***. I'm an absolute lover of T-Rex and I'm sure that adding TT's procedure to a word that you p**k can be very effective, powerfull, and simplified (compared to the original TT principle).
However, don't get me wrong, I still believe un the "pure" version of TT but I'm just thinking of this handling as another way to approach the general idea. By the way have to finish my french translation of the tracks, still working on it actually |
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Mr. F Loyal user Kentucky 247 Posts |
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On Nov 9, 2014, XyGreg wrote: Just my opinion, but I feel like using a CT cheapens the power of this strong effect/method. I personally like TT pure and straight forward. There's truly no way to miss if done correctly. |
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