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kasper Loyal user 253 Posts |
I find these effects excellent for the mentalist performer. They are chocked filled with psychological techniques. They are great for hecklers. They steer clear of the magician premise (since they are only a game.) People perceive them to be a real skill of psychology. You can expose them in a lecture since they are only a game. The more Ive been into mentalism the more I see possibilities with these type of games.
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Alwow Special user Los Angeles 544 Posts |
I don't. Never did the couple years I did perform magic. As a mentalist I don't even use cards at all anymore.
"Everything I show you is the truth... And the truth is the loveliest of lies"
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
If you're coming at it from some kind of psychological angle, I can see how it would fit...i dabbled with it years ago with a three shell game as a way of learning how to tell a good lie, and how to influence people's decisions...
I've asked to be banned
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Martin Pulman Inner circle London 3399 Posts |
I suppose you could end such a routine with a prediction which proved you predicted in advance where they would say the "lady" was each time. That may give it a more mental flavour?
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
These "games" are nearly universally perceived as cons. There is no way I would want that perception associated even remotely with my mentalism.
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kasper Loyal user 253 Posts |
Ive been thinking about mentalism a lot and the premise of "realness" that a lot of folks post about. Like the realness of hypnotism, doing readings, psychological subtleties, memory systems.
I believe these games also into the above list. |
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Martin Pulman Inner circle London 3399 Posts |
I think they could be used as a basis for a routine, but another reason to proceed with caution would be it would demonstrate that you have a facility with sleight of hand, and I do everything to avoid putting that thought into people's heads.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On Dec 2, 2014, kasper wrote: These "games," aren't perceived as "real" by the vast majority of educated people. They are cons, pure and simple, and, as Martin noted, they also convey an impression of manual skill. They don't fit the premise of mentalism at all- at least not in the way that I interpret the art. |
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kasper Loyal user 253 Posts |
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On Dec 2, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: Yeah they do have a negative connotation. Audiences do find them interesting though. |
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E.E. Inner circle Look mom, I have 1533 Posts |
Not really.
Professional mentalist and digital artist for mystery performers. check out my work at www.facebook.com/EverElizaldeArtStudio
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On Dec 2, 2014, kasper wrote: They's probably find the multiplying billiard balls interesting as well. Maybe even a bawdy presentation of Fraidy Cat Rabbit. But that doesn't mean they have any place in a mentalism demonstration. |
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kasper Loyal user 253 Posts |
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On Dec 2, 2014, Martin Pulman wrote: I understand most mentalists probably would steer away from the premise of these games in their performances . They are interesting from the audiences view though. On a side note, Ive also seen that the game of rock, paper, and scissors has had success in mentalism performances. |
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
Never
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E.E. Inner circle Look mom, I have 1533 Posts |
Rock paper & sicssors "rocks"
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Rock, paper, scissors isn't perceived as a con game or sleight of hand. It is purely a matter of successfully anticipating someone's choices in the context of an old schoolyard game all are familiar with.
Applea and oranges. There is no comparison. |
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E.E. Inner circle Look mom, I have 1533 Posts |
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On Dec 2, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: Couldn't say that better myself
Professional mentalist and digital artist for mystery performers. check out my work at www.facebook.com/EverElizaldeArtStudio
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MatthewSims Special user 778 Posts |
I like this topic. I love these games, as well as the vast majority of laymen. They appeal to people for numerous reasons.
Bob does bring up an interesting point, as well as Martin in regards to the sleight of hand. However, I would say that Bob is a purist. I mean...he is the MASTER MINDREADER! Simply stated, not everything fits everyone's character. I've tried my hand at several characters over the years trying to find myself in this art. I'd like to think that today (with the help of generous guys like Bob Cassidy, who continue to give so freely and help teach...here's a hat tip to you Bob...I have found my character). I promote myself as a "Psychic Entertainer". I mix and mingle the mystical approach with the more psychological approach. I enjoy speaking and presenting from the perspective of how we make choices and decisions, how they can be influenced or persuaded, etc. But then I also feel that we should not be explaining the mystery away with every piece that we perform (thanks to Richard Osterlind for finally helping me to see this. Read his "Principles of Mentalism"). I like to think that presenting myself from this angle allows me to get away with performing such pieces as these "psychological con games". Now I may be completely deluding myself, and in 5 years I may have a completely different approach, but for now, with where I am along the path, I enjoy it. It might also be noted that Paul Vigil (a very successful magician and mentalist) recently had a piece on the Fast and Loose in his newest book. The longer I continue this wonderful journey, the more humble I find myself. I remind myself that at the end of the day, I am an entertainer. My job when entertaining is to make people have fun, laugh, entice mystery, and on occasion push the boundaries of what science cannot explain. I hope my two cents helps...or whatever it's worth. All the best, Matthew |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Matthew- The point is that these games referred to by the OP aren't perceived as "psychological" con games. They are seen as sleight of hand and pure physical trickery. Not exactly something you want to associate with mentalism.
As noted, Rock Paper Scissors, though, IS a game that is purely psychologically based. Yes, they are interesting. I think ballet is interesting, too. But that doesn't mean I'm going to do my act wearing ballet slippers and a tutu, so that I can pirouette after each effect. |
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
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On Dec 2, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: I'd pay to see that! Tony |
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