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C.J. Inner circle There's a lotta rambling in my 2366 Posts |
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On Dec 3, 2014, Martin Pulman wrote: I've just spent the last half an hour watching his related videos. There's some good advice there.
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Waters Inner circle 2508 Posts |
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On Dec 24, 2014, Giannim wrote: While not (really) mentalism, I think there is built in intrigue (mystery) and the plot is simple. I think these are good starting points. I think we would all like to be able to use our skills to better a con-man. It is this aspect that makes it compelling. No one wants to be the victim. In mine, you transition from actual palying cards to doing this with imagined cards as well. And there is an actual finale' to boot. If done in a playful (and informal) manner, I think this works. That is only my opinion. Real people seem to enjoy it. Regards, Sean |
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George Hunter Inner circle 2013 Posts |
I think that Steven made a very plausible case for a version of the Endless Chain effect for Mentalism. Has anyone else thought about this or experimented with this? I think I recall that Mark Strivings uses it in some of his performances.
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Marc O Special user The Netherlands 755 Posts |
For a few different approach on the 3 card monte effect, have a look at Cherchez La Lady by Jack Vosburgh.
You can find it in Annemann's Practical Mental Effects. Although I would use some different methodes then the one discribed, there are some nice ways in there that you can use for a 3 card monte. |
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RicHeka Inner circle 3999 Posts |
I use the Endless Chain that I make in a 4 ft. size at tableside. [I also make a 5 ft. version and a custom size version if requested]
The shorter chain is much more conducive to tighter performance spaces such as at pubs and restaurants. I present it as a lighthearted body language reading demonstration rather than a gambling presentation. I also have a 'fun presentation' that I reserve for families with children. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all. Rich |
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George Hunter Inner circle 2013 Posts |
Mark Strivings' effect is marketed as "Endlessly Elevated." In his version you do not perform it on a table, but in your hands performing before a group. Mark includes a very good teaching manual, and a chain especially suited for performing it standup. I bought it from Mark a couple of years ago at Mindvention, but never got around to learning it. This thread has motivated me to move it up the priority list.
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gypsyfish Veteran user 383 Posts |
I believe that Whit Haydn said that Bob Koeler (sp?) uses the endless chain with a mentalism bent (mind reading).
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actorcoop Veteran user 337 Posts |
Oof.... Stumbled across this old thread and I had a thought- so I'm gonna resurrect this topic...
I think that a monte or shell game in its most Standard presentation will always come off as a con. However I beleive that with a bit thought, this could become a very powerful demonstration of 'spectator as clairvoyant'. Instead of using the game to trick (or psychologically bully) someone, why not blindfold a spectator, or have them turn away from the table and have THEM accurately PREDICT exactly where the pea would be? The sleights remain the same but instead of making the pea disappear, your skill is more discreetly being used to facilitate hits from a spectators blind choices. Have another spectator tally the results, and it incorporates even more audience involvement. Turned on its ear, there's potential to transform this into a very unique presentation of spectator clairvoyance. Especially if it follows after a Rock Paper Scissors routine, or another "game" routine in which the predictions are made by the performer.
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aligator Inner circle Canada 2044 Posts |
No way I would these these in a mentalism performance.
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Mac_Stone Inner circle Miami, FL 1420 Posts |
I think this would present a very interesting dilemma for an audience in a theatrical sense, the juxtaposition of string believable mentalism with what would otherwise be considered an obvious con. It would create a sort of dramatic irony like the way Tom Binns does with his Ian D. Montfort character does in his comedy Q&A act, his audience have a difficult time reconciling the obvious farce of the character with the extremely powerful material he performs.
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12941 Posts |
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On Dec 2, 2014, E.E. wrote: I bet if you worked at it you could say it a little bit better in some eyes. But Bob said it good enough. j |
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actorcoop Veteran user 337 Posts |
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On Nov 5, 2018, Mac_Stone wrote: I think this dilemma raises a really important point, though. Juxtapositions exist when two vastly different ideas create artistic tension. I think when it comes to routines like this, there's so much focus on WHAT it is and not enough on HOW its used. At the very least, I find this a fascinating exercise in presentation and I'm curious to hear additional thoughts!
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Mac_Stone Inner circle Miami, FL 1420 Posts |
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On Nov 5, 2018, actorcoop wrote: For the record, I'm in favor of the dilemma, I think it's exceptionally more interesting than just pretending to have magic powers. Watch videos of Ian D. Montfort on youtube with an open mind. |
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Philemon Vanderbeck Inner circle Seattle, WA 4694 Posts |
I present the Endless Chain as an exercise in predictive psychology. It is not mentalism, but it's a small effect that leads to greater claims.
Professor Philemon Vanderbeck
That Creepy Magician "I use my sixth sense to create the illusion of possessing the other five." |
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elimagic Inner circle 1663 Posts |
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On Nov 6, 2018, Philemon Vanderbeck wrote: I think this is th propper use for these con games. Presented correctly and by being truthful that the are cons, you can make them fit into a larger mentalism show/set. Just do it with care. |
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Mac_Stone Inner circle Miami, FL 1420 Posts |
If your super power is being able to influence people into picking certain numbers or words, or even which hand they put a coin wouldn't it be more interesting to demonstrate your power of influence in the context of con game where there are actual stakes? Where you audience can imagine themselves in a real life situation like the one you're demonstrating on stage?
Think of Timon Krause's performance of Penn & Teller in the context of a con game. Or just tell people the name of their first kiss. |
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loserdlj New user 64 Posts |
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Sudo Nimh Inner circle 1866 Posts |
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On Feb 28, 2019, loserdlj wrote: I know you're trying to get to 50 posts, but this is getting ridiculous.. |
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bevbevvybev Inner circle UK 2672 Posts |
Sometimes. Woop my 2543rd post.
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Senor Fabuloso Inner circle 1243 Posts |
I think context is key? If one was to present themselves a a psychologically trained analyzer of human behavior, could one not make a case for demonstrating cons, as a way into how our minds are fooled by sleights or whatever? These hard fast rules that disallow "creative license" seem very, limiting and close minded?
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