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Sean Macfarlane
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Just curious as to how many on here really truly believe in psychics? I am extremely skeptical of it but I would have to admit that when I get my palms read or have some sort of a reading, I am quite intrigued if it's done well. So there is a part of me that wants to believe to a degree. I know a lot of methods and on how it can be made to look real so it wins out most of the time on ruling it out, but that lingering part wonders....what if.

I've met witches, tarot card readers, tea cup readers, people who claim to be prophets and It seems they truly believe in what they have or they are really good liars. I remain on the fence and love the mystery of it all, perhaps that's one reason why I love magic.

Any mentalists out there that really believe in this stuff know what you know?
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In my opinion, giving a reading is nothing to do with the word psychic..

And my view is that those who believe they are psychic, are really doing a mixture of other things, its just that they are not aware of it or are not willing to question themselves as much as they should...

I believe that there are people out there who believe that they are psychic - so everything goes through their version of reality, which then converts coincidence into something else...
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I don't believe. Certainly have not ever seen a real one in action.
Seen plenty of false ones.
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I believe that there is a great deal about the true nature of the universe that we cannot know. However, I don't believe that claims of psychic power have ever conclusively been demonstrated under the strictest of conditions. I have said before that if I believed I really had paranormal powers, I would submit myself to science for the betterment of human kind. It would be one of the most important discoveries in the history of science. I don't see how, out of all the "psychics" out there, no one has chosen to do so. Or, if they have, it hasn't produced anything all that significant.
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Submitting yourself to science would not be my choice. The tendency would be to be very discrete and hidden.
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I would want it to be real but no, I do not believe in psychics.

It all depends on how your definition of psychics but the "gift"-psychics is something a take with a pinch of salt.
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Yes, 100%. I've had personal experiences that cannot be explained in any other way.

I agree that readings are not "psychic", except for when they are.

My life is for me to live and experience, I don't need approval or justificaton for it from anyone.
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I certainly believe that some people believe they are psychic. But then, my brother works on a ward where two people think they are Jesus Christ and -to be fair-one of them at least must be wrong.

The way I look at it: either the physical laws of the universe are suspended for certain individuals, or those individuals are deluded or liars. I know which explanation I find the more reasonable.
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On Jan 25, 2015, Martin Pulman wrote:
I certainly believe that some people believe they are psychic. But then, my brother works on a ward where two people think they are Jesus Christ and -to be fair-one of them at least must be wrong.

The way I look at it: either the physical laws of the universe are suspended for certain individuals, or those individuals are deluded or liars. I know which explanation I find the more reasonable.


Are you a scientist Martin? Because scientists seem much more open minded than you do regarding the "physical laws of the universe". Only a couple of weeks ago I was reading how there are regular articles by scientists in magazines like "New Scientist" and "Scientific American" questioning the nature of time and that it may not flow in the way our minds consider it to. That's of interest to me because I can recall two experiences, one recent and one a couple of years ago, where people have passed me twice despite it being physically impossible.

Further, I suggest you read "Entangled Minds" by Dean Radin. I believe he's a scientist and he has stuff to say about psychic phenomena.

And, yes, like Tony I've experienced quite a few things in my life that defy mundane explanations so I do believe being psychic is possible.

As for readings and psychic...all I'm reading here is semantics. If a reading helps a person I don't care where it comes from...I've done tons of readings and sometimes it's literal translation of the cards or whatever, other times "something" pops into my mind and it's a direct hit. A direct HELPFUL hit, not the kind of hit you'd jump on after peeking a billet but doesn't actually help anything. I think we're all psychic.
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David,

Are you qualified to offer advice to strangers for money?

How do you know your advice was helpful? What about people who follow your advice and it makes their lives worse? Do you take responsibility for that?

Do you believe in Santa Claus? How about the tooth fairy? Or are you only "open-minded" when it suits you?

At the end of the day, all it takes is for one psychic to consistently demonstrate psychic ability under controlled conditions and scientists will be happy to change their opinion. But what will change the opinion of a 'believer'?
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My personal belief is there is too much we simply do not know about the nature of reality to rule out conclusively the possibility that telepathy, clairvoyance and other forms of extra sensory perception may exist. I believe these types of powers or capabilities may exist, although readily admit I have seen no evidence they do.

Have been to many claiming to be psychics over the years, and have yet to find one who did anything other than what can be explained through cold reading techniques.
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There are undoubtedly people who have experienced psychic phenomenon. I've met many and I've had some experiences that are not scientifically explainable. As to how controllable this gift is may be in question, but In my search, I've met people who have utilized psychic methods to answer questions 100% accurately.
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Nice can of worms I opened there. Thanks for sharing everyone, I really appreciate the many different views.
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FWIW, "I can't explain it scientifically" or "I can't imagine how it could be explained scientifically" or "Present science can't explain it" or "Present scientists can't imagine how it could be explained"....

...NONE of those entail "It can't be explained scientifically."

Having an unusual or weird or surprising experience IS NEVER by itself evidence of psychic phenomena.
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On Jan 25, 2015, Martin Pulman wrote:
David,

Are you qualified to offer advice to strangers for money?

How do you know your advice was helpful? What about people who follow your advice and it makes their lives worse? Do you take responsibility for that?

Do you believe in Santa Claus? How about the tooth fairy? Or are you only "open-minded" when it suits you?

At the end of the day, all it takes is for one psychic to consistently demonstrate psychic ability under controlled conditions and scientists will be happy to change their opinion. But what will change the opinion of a 'believer'?


Qualified in what way Martin? Why should I need any kind of "qualification" to speak to someone? What a bizarre notion.

Do you know something really scary Martin? It doesn't matter what I say!!! People generally do what they want to do anyway! As with life (ever given a friend advice they've completely ignored?), as with readings.

People are responsible for their own lives. I never follow a "this will definitely happen" line, merely point out the pitfalls of whatever choices they have. And plenty have got back to me with positive comments. Have people made their lives worse? I wouldn't think anything I've ever said would have made a person's life worse in any deep or irreperable way but I expect maybe I have. Just like ANYONE in ANY field. You might, one day, scowl at a person on the tube. Or you might smile. Either way, the expression on your face might tip a suicidal person over the edge...are YOU responsible for that?

And your comments about Sanat etc are nice fielding of the issue but sheer facetiousness.

The point is nobody agrees on what "psychic" actually means. Skeptics interestingly make much much more of the term than most psychics I've met.

I'm just impressed that you know more than some very learned people rather than just admitting that, like most of us, you've chosen your belief system.

I believe what I believe. Some people have explored scientific discoveries that would seem to allow these things to be true. Certainly, it's not as black and white as you would like to think.
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Yes, 100%. I've had personal experiences that cannot be explained in any other way.

I agree that readings are not "psychic", except for when they are.

My life is for me to live and experience, I don't need approval or justificaton for it from anyone.


Tony, I don't mean to pry, but I was wondering if you felt comfortable sharing the personal experiences you alluded to. I'm not asking because I want to poke holes or argue for alternative explanations. I'm just honestly curious what sorts of things these were.
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No. I have in the past and have been ridiculed by members here.
People will believe as they will.
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I have just read your initial post and did not read the replies as I did not want my comment to be influenced by what has already been posted. I will read them after my post. I am more of a skeptic but I think that it may be possible. This slight belief allows me to fully run with the possibility for those that do believe. I also believe that most people who say that they are psychic have just gotten so good at cold reading that they have convinced themselves that they really do have psychic powers. There was a study done on the ability to smell someones fear. It is true that you can smell someone's fear. We are empathetic beings so it is possible that the transference of emotions and feelings can be physical as well as what we see and perceive in body language as communication is more non-verbal than verbal.

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There is plentiful scientific evidence in psi research that people are psychic or more correctly, exhibit psi abilities in controlled laboratory tests. The data taken as a whole is extraordinarily statistically significant, to a level of millions to trillions to one against random chance. These are odds other branches of 1research science would kill for. The level of replication based on surveys of scientific research across various disciplines is greatest for psi research: 85 percent of all psi studies are replications, the next closest discipline conducts no more than 8 percent replications. As a group, research parapsychology worldwide has more than risen to the challenge that exceptional claims require exceptional evidence. For readable and understandable information on these data, please see Dr. Dean Radin's books Conscious Universe, Entangled Minds, or his most recent book Supernormal. For the graduate student of science, see Irreducible Mind by Kelly, Kelly et al.

The assessment that there is no scientific evidence for psi is clearly incorrect and misinformed.
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On Jan 25, 2015, Tony Iacoviello wrote:
No. I have in the past and have been ridiculed by members here.
People will believe as they will.


Fair enough. I'm sorry to hear you've been subject to ridicule.
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