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David Fillary
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I saw Michael Vincent last year at the magic circle and he did only cards. I can honestly only remember one of the routines, while I remember a lot more of the other performers even if their routines weren't as polished. So even magicians forget what happened in card tricks!

I think more card magic needs to involve OTHER PROPS. David Roth performs a full coin magic act. Many would say that coin magic would get boring after one routine, but if spectators were to describe the tricks, they would say how he made the coins tiny and pass into a bottle, how he made coins pass through a portable hole, change colour with a rainbow, pass through a mini table, change to different coins on a globe and end up in the centre of the globe and made coins travel to a torn off sleeve on the table.

Sorry for spewing my love for coin magic, but notice how all all the effects have an interesting prop that makes them unique.

For card magic, many people just perform with a deck of cards as it is convenient., but if you performed card through handkerchief, tiny plunger and Chicago opener they would remember each trick as being unique and novel!

Also, at another magic circle event I saw the ambitious card 3 times - the audience told the 3rd magician that they had seen it already!
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Most "magicians" bore me with card tricks. I don't have to remember the plot of the trick, days later, but I should recall having a good time. The best magicians have no trouble entertaining me with a deck of cards.
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On Jun 10, 2015, garett wrote:
If your character is the card shark who's going to give sleight of hand demostrations about how to cheat at card games then you've immediately shattered the stereotype by not framing yourself as a magician.


That's exactly my routine (and I came into magic late in life as well). I'm a reenactor, and one of my characters is a riverboat gambler. I've got a number of card tricks/routines, and then I explain that I can do this because I know what I'm doing and they don't. And anytime you get into a card game with someone, you're running that risk.
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But aren't playing cards themselves becoming anachronistic? Time was every house had a deck of cards lying around for that odd day when you wanted to play a game with friends or relatives. Now that is not the case. It's getting harder for people (especially younger people) to tell the spades from the clubs and they don't know how to properly shuffle any more. Now, don't get me wrong, I love card magic and always will, but I'm finding it more difficult to find laymen that understand the basics of card lore and that there are, in fact, only four aces in the pack, the card with the "j" is called a "jack", and to cut the cards means to divide the deck approximately in half.
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On Oct 29, 2015, Steve Burton wrote:
But aren't playing cards themselves becoming anachronistic? Time was every house had a deck of cards lying around for that odd day when you wanted to play a game with friends or relatives. Now that is not the case. It's getting harder for people (especially younger people) to tell the spades from the clubs and they don't know how to properly shuffle any more. Now, don't get me wrong, I love card magic and always will, but I'm finding it more difficult to find laymen that understand the basics of card lore and that there are, in fact, only four aces in the pack, the card with the "j" is called a "jack", and to cut the cards means to divide the deck approximately in half.



Interesting thought. I avoid card magci in most settings becasue too many think "trick" when I am trying to impart "an experience of real magic."

Maybe in a decade or two playing cards will be seen as a magician's prop and a lot of magic can happen.

Of course, all of the card sleights I have learned can be done with coupons while standing in a food line, so all is not lost.
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There are card tricks ,pick a card, travelers,oil and water,Mc Donalds aces ,ect.
However there are also tricks with cards.
To name a few card warp,torn and restored card,linking cards,Pot hole effect,moving ink,Ect. I find the latter to be more entertaining as a group.Value and suit matter less than the state the card is in.The card is a cardboard prop which is a recognizable object.Baseball cards and business cards could be substituted for cards when doing tricks with cards. Glenn
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I know this might be too simplistic, but general feel I get from the article is that she saw 10 versions ambitious card and "pick a card + I find it" and made that conclusion. That to me is like someone hearing top 2 radio rap songs and concluding that's what rap music is or seeing old athlete have few bad games in their last years of competing and concluding they are bad athlete.

For me I wouldn't ever perform ambitious card unless specifically asked to, not that there's anything wrong with it, but likeliness that spectator has seen it is much higher than with any other one's. I think people still do love card magic.. if you don't hit them head with "pick a card" as your first sentence. Some things I feel specifically work well in contrast to ambitious and others are A) magic that happens in their hands, 2 card monte etc B) Off guard, deck color changes, color changing a chosen card to blank C) Gambling demonstrations, I disagree with Tukaram on the idea that layman don't find skill and dexterity interesting. Well done cardistry, second dealing demonstrations and so forth I have observed to captivate people very well. D) Pure entertainment, so music or storytelling tricks. While interactive tricks can be good sometimes audience just wants to sit back and enjoy the show. E) Card manipulation, partly fits to previous category but pointing out that it has it's own taste
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I hate card tricks. I will never be bothered by the question of how lay people feel, because I won't do card tricks for lay people. Or for magicians. Or for any reason.

But I suspect many many lay people feel like I do.
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Pardon my response to this, but, in my opinion, generally speaking, laymen hate Magicians who SUCK at entertaining, period, no matter what they TRY to perform.

Anyone who ever had the priviledge of seeing the late great Matt Schulien perform, and more importantly, ENTERTAIN laymen at Schulien's would KNOW what the answer to this question would be.

My point here is this: It's not the trick or the prop......it's THE ENTERTAINER that makes the difference.
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As I'm not yet a magician, or a performer, I feel I can weigh in on this a layman.
I LOVE CARD TRICKS.
To be honest I'm a little surprised at points made here. Most people I know are interested and or amazed by card tricks. They aren't jaded or tired of them, they haven't forgotten what cards are or only live in the techno modern world with no knowledge of things that came before. This leads me to one point: It is surely about your audience.
If I was to do card tricks to my son's friends at the skatepark then I'd expect a few bored looks. However, if I do the same with people I meet in the village store, or village pub then people are genuinely interested. They enjoy it, have fun with it, they even expect to be asked to 'pick a card...'!
I feel sad reading such strong 'anti-card' opinions. Perhaps I just love the past more than most?
It just shows that there are no absolutes. Card tricks are great for some, not so great for others!
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There is a stigma attached to card magic because a lot of lay people have seen their uncle or some other relative do a card trick--like the 21 Card Trick--or a trick that involves interminally counting or dealing of cards.

I think a few things can help elevate card tricks in the eyes of people who hate card tricks:
----- using the cards in a way that doesn't involve knowing what the values/suits of cards are--such as a color change, Card Warp, Mental Photography...
-----using a prop with the cards to dress up the routine--like a card duck or an insurance policy
-----making the card trick so good that the spectator forgets they hate card tricks
-----using a deck that doesn't have traditional card numbers/suits on them--such as an alphabet deck or a superheroes deck
-----using a deck that children might have in a school setting--like a deck of cards showing Mother Goose characters on them

Here's a link to some non-traditional card games that I posted on the IBM Ring 103 Norfolk facebook page. Kids would probably enjoy tricks made with these decks featuring the alphabet, superheroes, and dinosaurs.
http://tinyurl.com/cardtricks4kids

----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
----- Sonny Narvaez
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