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Oz Fan
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Posted: Jun 1, 2004 1:08pm
Really great info Geoff! I wish I would have started out learning all of the basic sleights instead of just tricks.
-Blake-
Blake S.
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dg
Regular user
122 Posts
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Posted: Jun 2, 2004 4:06am
To start off with I got hold of a few good books and learned the basic sleights. The lists above are a really great starting point for anyone involved in magic. Obviously everyone's tastes are different but by learning these sleights it gives you a much better grounding for all types of card magic.
Personally I use a hit lift for a double, found it the easiest and most natural looking for me.
The Anything Wallet
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Bill Palmer
Eternal Order
Only Jonathan Townsend has more than
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Posted: Jun 2, 2004 11:55am
I would add one other thing that nobody has mentioned here. That is PRESENTATION. Don't try to learn too many tricks and/or sleights all at once. Make sure that each thing you learn has a purpose, that is, that you have a trick for every sleight or move you learn and vice-versa. The sleights, moves and subtleties are useless without something to use them in. Forcing a card for the sake of forcing a card is useful only as practice.
Learn a few good tricks, and by good presentation, make them into good magic. Good magic does not have to be difficult to do. In fact, good magic MUST NOT be difficult for you to do. It must be as easy to do as breathing.
So you need to practice.
To give you some insight into presentation, I recommend that you get Henning Nelms' book Magic and Showmanship, a Handbook for Conjurers. It's as relevant now as it was when it was written.
If you follow the principles in it you will be able to entertain people with your magic.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC
My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups."
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paulajayne
Inner circle
London England
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Posted: Jun 3, 2004 10:43pm
A point of view on "finger flinging" card moves.
When we show somthing magical with cards is it not more effective if we handle the deck in a natural way and shuffle like our customers?
Sure if you perform for a living as I do, riffle shuffles are nice , one handed cuts as well but the average Joe doesn't do that. Magic is more effective if it comes on the offbeat.
IMHO
Paula
Paula Jay - Magic to Remember -
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Alastair_Webb
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Posted: Jun 7, 2004 3:50pm
I feel a bit stupid asking this question but what are passes used for, and how are they applied to real tricks.
I'm not sure whether you can answer this without exposure, especially since I don't fully understand the rule of exposing a secret.
Any answer you can give would be apprciated.
Al
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Avrakdavra
Loyal user
The Pine Tree State, USA
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Posted: Jun 18, 2004 9:30am
Thanks to G. Weber, et al. for the advice. Now, intent on following the advice, I am looking for specific recommendations of books/DVDs, etc. which clearly and systematically teach sleights and other basic techniques. For example, what is the full reference for the "card college" book? Any other suggestions?
Much appreciation from this abecedarian avrakadavrian.
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Richard Allen
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66 Posts
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Posted: Jul 1, 2004 5:57pm
Pretty good post, and I'd have to agree for the most part. Bill Palmer makes an excellent point... the moves only serve as your tools... you need to learn how to use them in order to build a magical effect in your spectator's eyes.
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click pass
New user
32 Posts
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Posted: Jul 4, 2004 9:02pm
I am definitely a beginner to card magic. I have several of the card college books as well as royal road and have worked through them. My question is whether anyone would recommend the Apocalypse volumes to a novice card magician. A lot of the tricks seem to be way out of my league. In terms of trying to learn ring and coin tricks is these a good source or would it be better to find books that focus on these topics specifically?
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CloseUpMan
New user
San Diego, CA
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Posted: Jul 7, 2004 12:54am
Thanks for all the good info. I'm getting back in to magic, after 20 years. So, I consider myself a beginner. There are some things that I didn't learn back then and this info will get me going in the right direction.
Thanks Bill for mentioning the need for Presentation! Any other resources that you or anyone else can recommend for creating a routine?
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marlotto
New user
East Riding of Yorkshire
5 Posts
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Posted: Jul 8, 2004 5:16pm
In magic, I beleive it is the EFFECT that is all important. If I can develop an alternative method of handling rather than have to master complicated sleights in order to perform a card trick then I will if doing so retains the original effect. Working on your PRESENTATION is, in my opinion, far more important than practicing a card sleight just for the sake of it.
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Barajista
New user
61 Posts
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Posted: Jul 12, 2004 11:28am
Thanks Geoff,
I've been jumping around for awhile on where to start and your list has been helpful to get a sense of direction. The comments on presentation are important to remember!
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stuper1
New user
California
99 Posts
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Posted: Jul 14, 2004 5:12pm
One person mentioned the Hindu shuffle as both a shuffle and a force, but it can also be used to control cards quite easily and convincingly.
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sinnead zenun
Elite user
Mt. Makiling
408 Posts
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Posted: Jul 19, 2004 1:27am
I also recommend the rolly polly pass. a very easy pass for beginners...
www.bizarremagic.net
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Jason Robillard
New user
5 Posts
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Posted: Jul 25, 2004 9:53am
Being a beginner and a visual learner, what videos or DVD's would anyone recommend for learning card handling techniques?
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Geoff Weber
Inner circle
Washington DC
1298 Posts
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Posted: Jul 26, 2004 12:55am
Please refer to the other sticky topic in the "New to Magic" section entitled "Recommended Books for Beginners".
Presentation: This is just as important as everything I put on my list. Because it is an entirely different beast altogether, it would be impossible for me to rank it on the card magic skills list. I think Presentation is more than just a skill, I think it is a whole new category with its own list of skills. Skills such as timing, blocking, storytelling, communication, acting, creativity, improvisation, scripting....
Each one of these things is far more complicated to master than any piece sleight of hand I mentioned.
So if you are brand new and have not developed your presentation skills? what do you? Study the masters and copy what they do. Video or live performance (even better) is really the only way to convey this. See how they carry themselves, how they make eye contact with the audience. How they make a dramatic pause here, or break the tension with a joke there...
If you buy an instructional video that has a presentation you find entertaining, use it! Learn the script word for word, and match the actions as closely a you can. The ability to develop your own original presentations, is something that can only happen with experience and time, so for now put your faith in the person who is teaching you. As you grow in your performing abilities, you will be more comfortable with your magic, and have better understanding of what works and what doesn't.
Planning a lecture tour in the Mid-Atlantic region... if you have a group that's interested, let me know.
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Jaz
Inner circle
NJ, U.S.
6113 Posts
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Posted: Sep 5, 2004 9:56am
Good job Geoff!
I would add jog and slip shuffles for control and the Hindu Shuffle.
The Hindu is a good foundation for forces, false cuts, etc.
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magicbymccauley
Special user
770 Posts
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Posted: Sep 14, 2004 10:47am
This is what I teach to kids:
Basic:
Riffle shuffle (waterfall)
Riffle shuffle Retatining Top Stock
Overhand Shuffle
Overhand Shuffle card to top and bottom
Hindu Shuffle
Running cards
Key Card Principle
Bob Longe False Cut
Overhand Shuffle Backjog Control,
Pinky break (time misdirection) Cut
Pinky Break Overhand Shuffle (also called simplified pass)
Hindu glimpse
Hindu Pinky Break
Bottom Glimpse
Locator Cards (the crimp,long, short, thick cards)
Cross Cut Force
Bottom Spread Force (From Royal Road)
That right there is the bare bones of card magic: controls, forces,
and false shuffles. (Note that the controls can be used as false shuffles,
but only to retain top stock) You should be able to do just about anything
you can imagine as far as "Pick a Card" goes.
Then if you continue in card magic
Intermediate:
Jordan Count
Elmsley Count
Hamman Count
Gambler's Cop
Bottom Turn Palm
Zarrow Shuffle
Side Slip (to top and bottom)
Slip Force
Riffle Force
Spread Cull Force
Multiple Card Culling
Biddle Add On
Dai Vernon's Multiple Card Control
A 3 way False Cut
For the Unambitious
Coutures Cut Control
Advanced:
Double Lift
Top Change
Classic Pass
Hermann Pass
Front and Back Palm
Two hand Top Palm
Multiple Top Palm
One Handed Top Palm
Multiple Diagonal Palm Shift
There are more good moves I could include, but these to me look like the essentials.
People think the double lift is for beginners or intermediate level. It's not in my opinion. It's for advanced conjurors. Bad double lifts are the absolute worst, and I've seen many. This doesn't mean that you shouldn't practice the double lift at the intermediate level, it means to perform it, it really takes a lot of effort to master. Ususally this amounts to proportionally more work than other card sleights.
The top change is curious, because althought it is an easy sleight, it takes advanced timing and misdirection.
"Tricks are about objects, Magic is about life."
-Max Maven
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Mitchum
New user
59 Posts
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Posted: Sep 15, 2004 7:39pm
Great list magicbymccauley. I wonder why you don't teach the glide to your students. This is an easy sleight to perform and can have the same impact as the double lift (only done from the bottom of the deck).
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blueboy7948
New user
UK
61 Posts
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Posted: Sep 21, 2004 8:12pm
Geoff
Thanks for the list an absolute godsend to a total newbie such as myself.
I have always loved magic since I was a kid and it has taken me many years to have the drive to learn it and also to overcome my intrepidation of going in the magic store to ask for a book.
Your list is something that I am starting to apply now and I'm practising furiously (much to my wife's annoyance)
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ShidennOdmistL
Regular user
Vegas
109 Posts
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Posted: Oct 10, 2004 3:35pm
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On 2004-06-07 15:50, Alastair_Webb wrote:
I feel a bit stupid asking this question but what are passes used for, and how are they applied to real tricks.
I'm not sure whether you can answer this without exposure, especially since I don't fully understand the rule of exposing a secret.
Any answer you can give would be apprciated.
Al
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I heard a saying once that the only stupid question is a question never asked. Checking in my book, RRTCM, and I quote from pg 153 (man I feel like a pastor) "After all,the principal of the pass is to bring a chosen card from the middle of the pack to the top and vice versa..." So there you go. Its a sleight to bring a card from the top to the middle and vice versa. And to add alil more clarifaction to it, the reason why its called the pass is not only cause of the sleight, but on how the sleight looks. Just imagine it, ok? Hope that helped.
A question to all: aside from good sleight to learn as a beginner, what are good tricks or routines that implement these sleights?
IMHO, Geoff, you have a great post and I know all that read it will appreciate it by far. However, to no offense, this is just a list of sleights. Sleights that have no absolute application to the magician, and by no absolute application, I mean that the magician does not know how to apply these sleight to their magic, makes it something of a chore to learn.
No offense to anyone tho. This list is a great list. My applauses.    :
Tim
Sol Hiden N D Mist...
Never look back....
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poiboy28056
New user
N. Carolina
13 Posts
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Posted: Oct 15, 2004 2:40pm
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On 2004-06-07 15:50, Alastair_Webb wrote:
I feel a bit stupid asking this question but what are passes used for, and how are they applied to real tricks.
Al
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a pass is an invisable cut used as a control to secretly bring a card to the top of the deck.
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blade
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Philippines
207 Posts
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Posted: Oct 17, 2004 4:56pm
Add presentation and misdirection to the list...
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