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Gbhunter77
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Can any of you Ladies or Gentelman provide moi with information on a good book dealing with lock picking?
My youtube channel check it out its magic.
im not great but getting better.
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Pardon me for asking this Paul, but why do you want to learn to pick locks?

1. If it is for stage work, trust me, there are better and more reliable ways to do escapes. I can pick some locks, but seldom do it on stage.

2. If you want to be able to demonstrate a new skill set, you might consult a locksmith in your neighborhood, or look at some on-line tutorials.

3. If it is for illegal purposes, or questionable purposes, you will find most of us NOT willing to help.

4. Ian McColl (found on the Café) offers some introductory materials that are high quality, you might look him up.
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Just search at Amazon, and read the reviews.
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My computer crashed years ago 2008 and the only master copy of my 7 books (CD) was never returned to me by my distributors (2011) so I have nothing to offer.
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Now now. Why in the world would I go on record asking for help for illegal reasons. It is a skill I would like to aquire, I enjoy learning. When the zombie apocalypse comes I want to be the guy that gets protection LOL.... (really have to lay off those movies). But seriously its a skill I want to have for no other reason than to just have it.
My youtube channel check it out its magic.
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Thom Blacke, recommends Sparrow.com for lockpicks and instructions.
Personally I find that all the books I have read, and videos I have seen cover the same basic info.

It is just a question of which presentation style works best for you.
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Cliffg37 is right. There are much easier and faster ways to unlock and escape than lock picking. Even a pro locksmith will tell you that lock picking is about 5% skill and 95% luck. It so depends on the type of lock and the manufacturer. Then how the pins are placed. When you have a short pin at the back behind a long pin in front of it, that takes considerable skill and if you haven't seen the key, you have no clue that is the type pin configuration. Most locksmith supply places sell practical books. The link below has some good books: https://www.lockpickshop.com/Lock-Picking-Books.html or you can look at ay number of websites and videos on Youtube that show lock picking technique. It is a combination of touch and practice. The hardest part is getting the pressure on the tension wrench just right and that takes practice, practice, practice. Cheap locks like quick set, once you get tensioning down, can be raked and open easily. More expensive locks like Yale are much harder to pick and often do not rake well, requiring pin picking, which takes even more practice, practice, practice.
Unless you lose keys a lot or plan on a career as a locksmith, lock picking probably isn't worth the time it takes you to learn it. Plus, in many states unless you have a security license or are a licensed and bonded locksmith, it can be a criminal offense to be in possession of lock picking tools.
For easy access to most padlocks, you can buy shims from any locksmith supply place that will get you into those in a flash and much easier than using lock picking.
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On Dec 5, 2015, Father Photius wrote: Even a pro locksmith will tell you that lock picking is about 5% skill and 95% luck. It so depends on the type of lock and the manufacturer. Then how the pins are placed. When you have a short pin at the back behind a long pin in front of it, that takes considerable skill and if you haven't seen the key, you have no clue that is the type pin configuration.


Disagree with you, totally.

With skill comes the ability to read what length pins are in the lock. Short behind long problem is a fallacy. depends on the picking order.
GBhunter wants a hobby, I believe, no more, no less. If he just wanted on open locks by picking. it's a fun skill to learn, has nothing to do with what is fast, best or lawful. Just a skill like balls coin or cards.
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I agree with Ian. There is definitely a lot more of a skill than luck needed. I see security contractors with bogota picks in their kits all the time at camp, very few are able to use them effectively.

Funnily enough my first lock picking book was one of Ian's .. But unfortunately they are no longer available.
(If anyone's selling any of Ian's material I will gladly buy it)

Ps: Ian when I get back to the UK I'll scan the books I have and email them over to you.
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If you're after a prop there Are plenty of visual escapes that make for an interesting stunt/escape. But you have the option of learning picking as a back up for tricks that involve locks
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There was an interesting book on cannons a few years ago the xx second master padlock challenge. Basically instead of using a quick stick he used a hook pick to release the shackle. Could be entertaining.
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That can be made
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On Dec 5, 2015, Father Photius wrote:
Cliffg37 is right. There are much easier and faster ways to unlock and escape than lock picking. Even a pro locksmith will tell you that lock picking is about 5% skill and 95% luck. It so depends on the type of lock and the manufacturer. Then how the pins are placed. When you have a short pin at the back behind a long pin in front of it, that takes considerable skill and if you haven't seen the key, you have no clue that is the type pin configuration.


I'm going to have to disagree as well. I actually got into lockpicking as a hobby before I was interested in magic, and in my experience it is mostly skill based. Now, while there is some luck involved in picking locks (especially when you're first learning), someone who knows what they're doing can pretty reliably pick a standard five-pin lock. While I certainly wouldn't recommend relying on being able to pick a lock for an escape in a stage show, if you're just looking for a hobby, lockpicking is a pretty good way to spend some time.

If anyone is interested in learning, you should seek out your local branch of TOOOL (The Open Organisation Of Lockpickers). TOOOL members were actually the first to teach me to pick locks at the DEFCON security conference in Vegas a few years back.
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It’s always best to think about the reliability of the sources of information (on any subject), where they come from, who they come from and what they come from.
The difference here of information is the source, one is myth based, same wrong information going from one to another and passed on without question as to the reliability and credibility of the information. A myth is always a myth no matter how many times it’s told or by whom.
I always prefer credible information or science based fact.

When I starting locksmith at 15, I listened to many other locksmiths who like here passed on untested myth
information as if it were truth (in regards to picking) After 14 years of using this hit and miss technique I finally
got hold of Joseph Bramah 1785 Dissertation (on locks)

So impressed with the detail of information, I re type the whole word from Middle English to a more easily read
English. With my locksmith mechanical knowledge, hand skill sand a deep mental understanding of what
is happening inside a lock while one is picking it, I increase my success many fold and used that skill to also
teach Australia and some US security agencies. I have also picked many so called unpicking locks. and made a few lock maker change their designs because of weakness I exploited.

My advice, never go with myth based info..
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Ian,

What's your opinion of the info in the CIA lockpicking manual?
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There was an interesting book on cannons a few years ago the xx second master padlock challenge. Basically instead of using a quick stick he used a hook pick to release the shackle. Could be entertaining.


I talked to Marc Cannon about this one. I thought I had hit on a method for doing this very routine. When I talked to Marc about it he confirmed that I had not discovered anything new and it was indeed the method taught in this booklet. It actually involved picking the lock though - neat little feat and good for a change of pace in a performance.
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Intriguing. Given that Canon's is closed, is this booklet available anywhere?
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On Dec 6, 2015, james_unlimited wrote:
There was an interesting book on cannons a few years ago the xx second master padlock challenge. Basically instead of using a quick stick he used a hook pick to release the shackle. Could be entertaining.


I talked to Marc Cannon about this one. I thought I had hit on a method for doing this very routine. When I talked to Marc about it he confirmed that I had not discovered anything new and it was indeed the method taught in this booklet. It actually involved picking the lock though - neat little feat and good for a change of pace in a performance.


Hi Dave hope you had a very merry Christmas. I was thinking more on bypassing the pins altogether with a "qwikstick" would achieve the same effect.. I think in the booklet it was a hook pick??
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A little late to the party here...

I count lock picking among my many hobbies and have never really associated it with magic. I do it strictly for fun, though I have used it for a legitimate need a time or two. I'm very much an amateur. If you are the type that likes mechanical puzzles, and I'd think that would cross over with magicians pretty well, you'll likely get a kick out of it like I do.

To answer the OP question, I don't have any printed books so can't comment there, but there is lots of info available online for free, including picking forums where there are sure to be posts about learning materials. Ian's point about reliable sources is well taken.

To get started, google these:

MIT Guide to lock picking

lockpicking detail overkill

There's tons on Youtube as well.

This is worth a look: https://www.reddit.com/r/lockpicking/com......k_picker

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I'm into lockpicking myself for many years, consider myself quite seasoned and am regularly consulted for workshops.

Everyone looking for a thorough resource is recommended to have a look at Deviant Ollam's "Practical Lock Picking" - hands down the best book on this subject I've ever read.
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