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Munken New user 65 Posts |
A recent documentary on how far you can take hypnosis it was proven that a subject can and did commit murder under hypnosis.
It takes on from an old bank robbery where one of the bank robbers kills a hostage. He claimed he was under the influence from the other robber. The question, could it be done, was tested by a national TV station and a hypnotist. A group of volunteers where found and one where picked out. He then where prepared to do the bank robbery and was told that if anyone tried to stop him I should shut them down. The scene where set and the volunteer got a hand gun, luckily with blanks. He ended up shooting one person, that where standing in he’s way out of the bank. If you are god enough it is possible to make people do harm on others, properly also themselves. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
How about a link to this miracle so we can all be educated?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Munken New user 65 Posts |
Https://da-dk.facebook.com/DR3-Fucker-me......2582641/
It is marked "HYPNOSEMORDET" You should be able to understand Danish. I could not find it on youtube yet. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
I have always believed a certain percentage of the population could be made to do just about anything. I also believe a lot of theories around hypnosis are suggested. For example a six year old subconscious mind is just a suggestion planted by unsuspecting hypnotists. It installs a new "part" that then does exist. Research has its place but it isn't be all and end all since the use of hypnosis rather than the research is more of a creative art than science. Once you reach a reasonable level of skill its usually the hypnotee that makes you look good. Although you do need skill to find them and make the best use of them. Getting hold of the right hypnotee especially for tv programmes becomes the most important part of the process. And in most cases the Tv programme is suggesting something that really doesn't exist to the viewers.
I don't know what the percentage is but those that can be made to harm themselves or others are probably in the minority although I believe I have come across quite a few over the years that were that suggestible. I never tested it to the limit though. I haven't proved it to the point where someone murdered someone or killed themselves. I think when it comes to hypnosis we should always have an open mind both ways. I don't think there is a black or white answer here. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Mar 23, 2016, Munken wrote: I do not understand Danish so trying to follow it will not be for me. But it seems not to be available anymore.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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mahucharn Elite user 418 Posts |
Not entirely related, but could be an interesting point in this discussion all the same. I'm writing a research paper (for senior level psychology course at University) on the history of hypnosis as used in a clinical setting. Experimental studies seem to indicate that hypnosis is particularly effective at getting rid of eating disorders, chronic pain, or chronic anxiety. In a few of the studies/meta analyses that I have read, hypnosis was used on mothers prior to child labor (6 sessions). The study found that mothers who were given the hypnosis "treatment" in addition to the regular medical interventions/assistance spent less time in labor, had healthier babies (according to the standard scales), reported less pain during labor, and were at a significantly reduced risk for postpartum depression than those who received only the standard bout of medical treatments. I can provide a reference for those who want it. Hope at least a few of you will find this bit interesting .
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10587 Posts |
This is an entertainment forum, and the rules specially state that discussions about hypnosis theory and therapeutic or non-performance hypnosis is not to be discussed here. If your true concern is about perfomring hypnosis, ask away, otherwise please respect the rules, members and the intended content.
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catweazle Special user 924 Posts |
If suggestion can not make someone harm other people, then why is Milgram so famous?
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Personally that's why we need to keep an open mind. There are too many variables between individuals and situations to say anything with 100% confidence when it comes to hypnosis. And despite what is claimed by research it isn't fully understood or even agreed as to what it is.
My feeling is there are a percentage of people who would do almost anything if the the suggestions were formulated in the right way. But that's just my feeling. |
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catweazle Special user 924 Posts |
100% agree sir!!
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Yea but no. Peole are suggestible. Also people are gullible. Peopleare just flat out stupid. It does not mean that just because you can talk someone into doing something it was hypnosis.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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catweazle Special user 924 Posts |
But we cant even agree to what hypnosis is...milgrams set up was very similar to a hypnosis show set up...
it was only the suggestion of authority that made the subjects do it the fell for the white coats, the fell for the set up, once they stepped into his world, they did everything asked of them. its like joining the army, once you are in, you do as you are told, ultimately kill on command. you might once of been a nice lad, now you are a killer, because someone suggested it. nothing more. luckily hypnosis shows have no implied suggestion about killing people though |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
"just because you can talk someone into doing something it was hypnosis." It doesn't mean it wasn't either. After all don't we talk people into being hypnotized in the first place? hypnosis when you boil it down is just directing people through suggestion structured in a way that affects them in a specific way. I would say if you can talk people into doing things in "everyday" situations its more than likely you can talk them into more severe things in a hypnosis scenario.
But that is just my view....And its not the hypnosis doing the task its the person. Hypnosis is just a process. Its good to keep an open mind but just be careful who you let in... |
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Tristan14 New user 23 Posts |
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On Apr 11, 2016, catweazle wrote: Cant really make a comparison between hypnosis to joining the army? The army does not use hypnosis to train soldiers, there is more than one way to reprogram subconscious behaviors. Authority figures, repetition and ego are 3 I'd commonly associate with the army. Not hypnotic suggestion... I'd put training soldiers outside of "limits of hypnosis" as the subject of this post originated. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Stretching definitions does not help.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Restricting them doesn't help either since no one can agree on what it is in the first place. But for arguments sake with removed inhibitions and and a higher level of suggestibility and in many cases complete amnesia reported by those on stage and all the other group dynamics going on including social compliance or any other label you care to throw in etc. It can't be ruled out that some people may respond to suggestions in this situations and do things they wouldn't normally do including harming others.
>>>cant really make a comparison between hypnosis to joining the army? The army does not use hypnosis to train soldiers, there is more than one way to reprogram subconscious behaviors. Authority figures, repetition and ego are 3 I'd commonly associate with the army. Not hypnotic suggestion... I'd put training soldiers outside of "limits of hypnosis" as the subject of this post originated.<<< Actually all of the above IS associated with hypnosis and always has been. And certainly are elements used on stage. I think the problems arise when people think hypnosis is a thing. a noun. Its not really its a process its not a static thing we "go into" like a night club. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
It is also associated with being drunk or high so what?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Repitition,authority and ego manipulation are elements within the process of stage hypnosis. Drunks have zero to do with the process of hypnosis. Unless you buy your volunteers drinks to get them ****ed? Neither is being high unless you are referring to drug induced hypnosis which I really don't know enough about to comment.
My point of view is its probably more useful to keep an open mind. But of course you are free to close yours.... |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Having an open m mind is great. Not so open that you fall for any bs someone spews.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Where is the BS or spews? I have an open mind about certain limits because no one knows for sure NO ONE. Plus the endless variables presented in different shows with different people you cannot totally predict how someone might react. And my own experience leads me to "believe" there is a percentage of people that would do almost anything if it the suggestions were framed correctly.
Its not that I think its great I just think its useful. Open mind doesn't mean I'm gullible it just means I am extra careful in case of the possibility. It also allows you to be more flexible in other areas of hypnosis. There is no argument here because no one can say either way with 100% certainly its more of a choice as to what you believe is the most useful for you. |
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