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WitchDocChris Inner circle York, PA 2614 Posts |
A friend of mine is working on building a 45-60 minute show where everything he needs fits into a single motorcycle saddle bag. We were bouncing ideas off each other for a bit and I mentioned chop cup - but he doesn't want to have to bring a table of any sort. This got me thinking about doing a chop cup routine with no table.
The challenge of course is making a routine that is clear, interesting, and magical under these constraints. Are there any resources out there for C&B without a table? I've got the beginnings of a routine and some ideas of how to finish it, but nothing concrete yet.
Christopher
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cupsandballsmagic Inner circle 2705 Posts |
Richard Hatch posted a video on here a while back that may help.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_txoK8WPZeA It's not exactly what you were looking for... but a start... Bri |
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BeThePlunk Special user West of Boston, East of Eden 887 Posts |
Alex Hecklau's "Just-a-Cup" holds possibilities. Because this is a public forum, I'll leave the rest for you to work out.
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WitchDocChris Inner circle York, PA 2614 Posts |
Thanks guys! I'm just searching for resources and inspiration at the moment.
Christopher
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Jacques Loyal user North 206 Posts |
Adapt a cone and ball routine to a chop cup.
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Magic.J.Manuel Special user I have danced upon 663 Posts |
Dennis Loomis published an in the hands routine for a micro chop cup.
Nothing would get done at all, if man waited so long that no one could find fault with it.
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Leo H Inner circle 1333 Posts |
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tonsofquestions Inner circle 1802 Posts |
You can also use the mobius wallet as a chop cup: https://youtu.be/iufgvJf8nC0?t=61
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
There was a very nice chop cup routine that used a spectator's hand covered by a hank, instead of a table and I thought was quite interesting.
I found it in Magic Magazine many years ago and I always wanted to do it but never did.
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
Multiple cups can be employed (Chopped or not) when held by spectators if one gets over the notion that the cup must be mouth-down.
In a traditional routine the cups are usually mouth-down to increase the apparent impossibility of the transpositions - there being evidence of this being mandated during the Inquisition when a street magician was tested for heresy. Regardless, when an object vanishes, appears or multiplies in a cup held by a spectator "mouth-up" and the performer far away, the astonishment and entertainment value outweighs any imagined value of having the mouth down. For this purpose a cup with a handle has an advantage adequately covered in the book "Cup of T" The use of sponge balls rather than traditional fuzzy ones may also be considered (the special feature never demonstrated) Check out Color C&B from Columbini and think of using "found" containers held by spectators. Again, the color morphing overrides any concern of up or down alignment. This theme is covered in many of my eBooks including "Scout Around," "Chop Sign," "Co-Lapse" and the book "Ball, Cup and Me" I am sure some might be asking, "How do you keep the spectator from looking in the cup too soon?" I would suggest that you should be asking, "How do I get that spectator to look inside and describe something other than what is there?" Either way, audience management should be a practiced art before any considered change in a traditional (possibly known) routine. In my Medieval Camp Strolling days I preformed many C&B type effects using available containers including helmets, goblets, bowls and mugs. I never has a spectator look into the container other than when I directed.
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Yellowcustard Inner circle New Zealand 1334 Posts |
I have thought about a simalaur thing. Cup and balls / chop cup with no table. I have played around with a few ideas and the one I am trying at the moment and will probably stick around is cone and ball.
Also Pat Page use to stuff a large plate down the back of his pants. He would produce then get someone to hold it and do his chop cup on the plate. The sound of a metal cup on a china plate is something else. Just my little bit
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Mr. Woolery Inner circle Fairbanks, AK 2149 Posts |
Bill Palmer once described performing chop cup on the hand of an assistant to eliminate the need for a table.
I am not aware of resources other than anecdotes for routines like this, but it occurs to me that you could do a two cup routine with two volunteers. The distance between them makes some moves impractical, but as you turn and interact, perhaps striding back and forth, you could do all sorts of steals or ditches covered by the natural and necessary movements. Or just sit down and do it on the ground like Indians. Patrick |
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
When I was working bars, I would very often do a Chop Cup routine on a spectator's hand. It was the same routine that I would use on a table. The cup and ball were kept in a Crown Royal bag, which I would lay on someone's palm. They could not feel any difference when a ball was there, or not. My final loads were a larger crocheted ball, followed by a baseball. The routine moved quickly, and only that one spectator knew something was about to happen because they could feel the weight of the baseball. But none of them ever spilled the beans on me, and I honestly think they were just as puzzled as the rest of them how it got there. They just knew it two seconds before everyone else.
Go for it, and you might be surprised how well it works.
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WitchDocChris Inner circle York, PA 2614 Posts |
I have no doubts that I can get away with it. I'm more looking for how I'm going to routine it specifically, and seeing what else may have been done for inspiration. I'm liking the look of Just a Cup but it's pretty pricey.
Christopher
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BeThePlunk Special user West of Boston, East of Eden 887 Posts |
PM'ed you re Just a Cup.
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lynnef Inner circle 1407 Posts |
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On Sep 23, 2016, Leo H wrote: This was just fabulous!!! So simple, and with a coffee cup, a reason to be using a 'hanky', etc etc. Just loved watching it! Lynn |
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DaveGripenwaldt Elite user 487 Posts |
There is work on a close-up mini-chop cup routine using the spectator's hand as the table here (starts around 6:25 into the vid):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ktlWEWIGBU |
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LoganPorterMagic Regular user 137 Posts |
Love it Dave! Exactly what I need.
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SleightlyChris Veteran user Lancashire, England 360 Posts |
I use the Dennis Loomis/Jamie Grant routine for busking and table hopping. It kills! You don't have to use the Don Alan mini chop cup as well. You can use any mini chop cup. RNT2 sells the aluminum Don Alan Mini Chop for like 55 bucks though. Completely Worth it as it comes with balls and 1 final load.
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malaki Elite user 490 Posts |
I realize that this is an old thread, but...
Has anyone thought of using a busking board, similar to the ones that the ladies who sold cigarettes used to wear? Similar to the backboard pictured at the beginning of the thread, but with a strap (about the size of a guitar strap) going from one front corner, around the back of the neck to the other front corner. The back is supported by the waist, possibly with a secondary strap. This is an old, portable table that has been used by magicians and other entertainers for years. The straps might make some moves more interesting to perform, but it should work for performing the C&Bs. |
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