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slim23 Veteran user 309 Posts |
Great thread here!
Thank you for the good stories and info. Slim |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
Granted that Rod the Hop was a very skillful and capable card cheat working as a center dealer in private games, would anyone care to opine how long he would last as a poker dealer under casino poker dealing conditions and surveillance using seconds, bottoms, peeks and so on.
Getting caught is a little different under those conditions. If someone is suspicious and goes to the card room management, they would simply keep playing back the video tapes at different angels and speeds until they figured out and could prove what was happening. One really has to use different techniques under casino surveillance although riffle shuffle work, not necessarily stacking, is very difficult to catch when done well. Of course, this is probably why he concentrated on private games. However, I am sure that if he could have gotten a casino dealing job, he would have figured out something that would have worked in that environment or consulted with the other pros and worked with them. |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
Cag,
Using the techniques I saw, he wouldn't last very long. That said, he was so skilled that I doubt he wouldn't have adapted his style to that very particular context (casinos). Private games are cool. You CAN'T do everything, of course, but there is almost always the possibility to twist the procedures a little. Same in amateur games. I don't regret that time, it was a lot of fun for me. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Well, we would love to hear more details about the games as opposed to what Rod did.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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JasonEngland V.I.P. Las Vegas, NV 1728 Posts |
Cag,
Rod broke in at the Dunes in the late 70s. Had to audition in front of 3 guys he didn't realize at the time were mechanics. He had never dealt casino-style before but could do a great false shuffle and was absolutely fearless. They hired him on the spot. Kicked in coolers for the mob both there and at the Stardust. Dealt to Spilotro's brother, EVERY name poker player from that era (including some that are playing today) and was making about $5000 a week at his peak. In late 70s money. Rarely got any heat although there were a few funny stories. On his very first down at the poker table on his first day, he dealt himself in. All the other players looked at him like he was crazy. Too much private game practice he said. DB and CR (you can probably guess their real names) offered him a job dealing for them overseas, but he didn't take them up on it. He didn't want to have to travel. Would have made a ton of money. Another time at either the Dunes or the Stardust, I forget which, the coolers got mixed up and he shuffled, whacked the cut and dealt a deck that was in new deck order instead of the bomb. It was 7-stud and the door cards started coming out: 6H, 7H, 8H, 9H, 10H, JH. He said he knew he was in trouble on the 3rd one. He told me the silence at the table was deafening. He finally cracked, "Wow, look at that. What are the odds? Gotta be a 100 to 1!" He told me that oddly no one thought he tried to cheat them, they just thought he didn't shuffle very thoroughly. Lots of good stories like these. The biggest game he said he ever saw was a $50,000 buy-in game in Monticito, CA. I drove him to that game but didn't go in. Huge house on the ocean with a mile long driveway surrounding olive groves. About a 15 million dollar house I'd imagine. He was there 9 hours and his end was just over 15k with nothing invested but his time and skills. Rich, soft internet and TV "name" players for the most part. Never seen a run-up in their lives, but most of their names would be recognized here in this forum. Jason PS: He dealt all the way up until about 3 months before his death as far away as NYC. Never really stopped dealing, but made enough off of the slots that he could take a break from dealing for months-long stretches at a time.
Eternal damnation awaits anyone who questions God's unconditional love. --Bill Hicks
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Thanks that gives us some context to understand what is going on.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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jjsanvert Special user Paris, France 581 Posts |
Great stories Jason.
JJS
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Maxwell Pritchard New user 16 Posts |
Hello everyone. I've only just seen this thread and wanted to thank everyone for their contributions so far, especially Arnold, Marco and Tegib for the videos, and Jason and Cagliostro for the stories and context. It's all really insightful stuff, so thanks a lot.
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
You're welcome.
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MarcoLostSomething Regular user 144 Posts |
Oh! You're welcome!
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