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Magic KL Inner circle 2564 Posts |
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On Nov 29, 2016, Recoplon wrote: I was told that it comes with 15 cards (3 sets of cards). |
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Ray Haining Inner circle Hot Springs, AR 1907 Posts |
B'Wave by Max Maven pre-dates them all. There have been many attempts to improve on it, but the original is the best. It is elegant in its simplicity and straightforwardness. It uses queens, and so the addition of jacks, kings, blank cards and jokers is unnecessary, I believe. It would have been better to include three sets of queens, so that cards could be replaced as they wear out. Also, the trailer is a bit deceptive.
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Calvin826 Special user 536 Posts |
Gordon Bean's Entourage is great- I guess that could be considered a version of BWave?
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Xcath1 Inner circle 3052 Posts |
Agree with Ray
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davidpaul$ Inner circle Georgetown, South Carolina 3086 Posts |
Yes the trailer is deceptive. There is a bit more to the presentation to achieve the results shown.
It's still good but things aren't always as they seem.
Guilt will betray you before technique betrays you!
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boinko Elite user Illinois 427 Posts |
B'wave is the genesis. Everything else -- Bannon, Bean -- came *after* B'wave and -- get this -- came about *because* of B'wave.
This and OOTW -- the two best card tricks in magic. Period. Maybe, NFW. Possibly. It's jumping and down to be noticed for 3rd place. But the jury is still out. My jury, at least. YMMV. EDIT: Okay, and maybe the original version of Paul H's Reset. That's probably competing with NFW. One ungaffed, the other gaffed -- yep, I know. But good god. B'wave and OOTW -- these are what card magic is all about. Everything else is just a series of adjustments. |
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Matthew Crabtree Special user 611 Posts |
For those saying it looks like Trick A or Trick B or othert effect that have come out since BWave here is post from Max
Quote: On May 2nd 2005, Max Maven wrote:
National First Vice President
The Society of American Magicians |
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reno55 New user 36 Posts |
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On Nov 29, 2016, Xcath1 wrote: What is that in? |
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Recoplon Loyal user 262 Posts |
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On Nov 29, 2016, Magic KL wrote: I don't get why 15 cards. To cover all the possibilities I think there should be...at least 12 cards (3 blanks, 3 jokers, 6 cards for the reveals) and that would allow only 1 combination of back color change (the reveal is red backed among the blue back cards for example). |
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Xcath1 Inner circle 3052 Posts |
Reno55. Triabolical booklet from Bannon and Motier. If you google you will find video demo
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Yuan Moons Veteran user 348 Posts |
The effects from Triabolical are also on the Fractalicious DVD along with loads of other great packet tricks
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Xcath1 Inner circle 3052 Posts |
Yes !
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Tom G Inner circle 2895 Posts |
While I agree B'Wave was the original, long before the rest, another good take was Bob Farmer's "Alice's Revenge."
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M Pitcher Elite user Around the block 432 Posts |
I always buy the original Twisted sisters, that way I get 2 sets so I can do
both BWave in two different colors or the standard Twisted Sisters routine. As an added bonus, Twisted sisters is cheaper too. Bests, MP |
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Robert P. Special user Kansas 632 Posts |
If you want to read more about B'Wave and some other similar effects, here are some other great threads:
B'wave Has Duplicity replaced Twisted Sisters or B'wave for you? Reading this thread and the ones linked above have made me want to pull out this effect again. |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
I use this regularly in my set and it kills a lay audience and any equivoque seems totally justified in the wording and is a fantastic packet effect . I use Eugene Bergers handling which he taught me at a lecture it's pure genius . I also do Entourage in another set which is a very similar premise but with absolutely no equivoque and with my modified handling of the reveal I use I would say is slightly but only slightly stronger still . I highly recommend both these gems regards Tarik 😊
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
It should be noted though that Max Maven's B'wave is not the original version of this effect. Vernon is credited for devising the plot, Nick Trost created the 4 Card Brainwave trick, Paul Fox had the idea of the reveal card having an odd back, Karl Fulves added using 3 indifferent cards (or blanks, jokers, etc.). I believe Max added the use of the gaffed cards and eliminating having 5 cards in the packet and needing a switching wallet or envelope.
There are dozens of versions of this effect. The 2 probably associated with it the most often are both John Bannon marketed effects, Twisted Sisters and Duplicity. Ever since John released Twisted Sisters there has been an ongoing debate over which effect is "the best". It's similar to the Invisible Deck vs. Brainwave debate. But there is no winner, it all comes down to personal preference. I prefer the simplicity of B'wave if performing one on one, but IMO Twisted Sisters is the better choice if you are performing for 2 people because it gets both of them involved and that's always a good thing. Duplicity is an ungaffed version of Twsted Sisters but again, I believe it is better for one on one because then it makes more sense that they would think of one ace and you would think of another. So I think the performing situation is more of a deciding factor than the trick itself. AFA using ungaffed cards and having everything examinable, I used to feel differently about this but now I believe the idea of ending clean is over-rated in this case because everything is shown so fairly and openly that there isn't really any reason for them to want to examine the cards. Besides, with B'wave it is so easy and undectable to switch in an ungaffed card that it's a moot point anyway. But a nice thing about Duplicity is that you can be doing tricks with a regular deck and then say you are going to remove the 4 aces and also bring 4 aces out of your wallet taken from a different deck. This makes it seem less like a packet trick (not that packet tricks are bad) and allows you to work it into almost any card set. For this you use any four of a kind you like along with indifferent spot cards, or if I plan on performing this I may throw an extra joker into the regular deck for a total of 3. The other big debate regarding both B'wave and Twisted Sisters is whether it is better to do an Elmsley count in the beginning. I guess it depends on whether you wish it to be more of a mentalism effect or more magic. My feelings on this have changed over time as well. Since I now enjoy mentalism much more than I used to I now forego the EC. But again, personal choice. For those that are new to magic or just new to B'wave it seems this set from Penguin would be a good choice, or as others have mentioned buying Twisted Sisters gives you the option of performing either version. |
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Ross W Inner circle UK 1778 Posts |
Somehow, B'Wave is greater than the sum of its parts. After all, it's just a 1-in-4 chance.
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Martin Pulman Inner circle London 3399 Posts |
It is interesting how powerfully this places. I think it's because there is a kind of intensifying of astonishment. Each reveal seems to make the previous reveal even more incredible. And there is something inherently pleasing about a trinity of reveals.
It really is almost a perfect effect. |
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
Good post videoman, B'Wave is a most interesting trick, and the quick history you provided shows how real progress occurs. I first got this when it was packaged log ago from Phil Goldstein (aka Max Maven). While I like the better uptakes on the idea, i.e., Twisted Sister and Duplicity, I think I still like the little basic 4 card trick most of all. Simple is good, and the specs still enjoy the absolute mystery of it. And not for nothing, but I typically don't use the EC and go for the more mentalist side of it, like you. Actually, I think the little magical show using the EC is lost in the presentation of a card supposedly magically turning face up. I really don't think it registers enough, so I don't use it, and nothing seems lost to it.
I just want to bring up a couple of other tricks like this, cheap ones that utilize the same ideas and actually are pretty clever spin-offs… Dream Queens - I think this one allows you to pick any queen you want (black or red), and still amidst only 4 cards. Choose Your Queen - Using a little wallet, you can pick any queen from 4 cards, so no equivoque necessary, and it all appears fair and clean. These are usually about $5-6 bucks, but play pretty good for a quick card effect based upon the same general idea and play of it all.
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