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EagerlyLearning New user 93 Posts |
I've played around for a while with this move, and I find it excruciatingly difficult. For instance, I've wanted to use this move as a way to get the card side-jogged so I can do a diagonal palm shift. But I can't get the card too move with my pinkie, or I get more than one card moving. It is hard to get the pinkie pad on the card without creating a visible gap at the fron of the deck. I have the same problem if I'm going to do a side steal from the spectators peak, so therefore I usually do a side steal after closing a spread, because it is easier to get the card side-jogged. Anybody else have this problem? Any tip on how to overcome this difficulty? I think I must have read the description in Card College a thousand times. I have discovered that on some days, when I have really good skin (good friction with the cards), it is easier, and possible to kick the card out. But my skin is like this this maybe 20-30 % of the time, so it is very unreliable. I might mention also that I have quite long fingers.
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Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts |
I highly recommend picking up Lance Pierce's Elements notes. He examines exactly why the pinkie ISN'T the correct finger to be using here, and how to overcome that problem.
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
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On Feb 5, 2017, EagerlyLearning wrote: Read many different descriptions. Card College is a great resource but it has its pitfalls. |
Lance Pierce Special user 878 Posts |
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On Feb 5, 2017, Rupert Pupkin wrote: Thanks...just to be clear, though, the pinky finger is the finger to use to start the technique...it's just not the finger I use to finish it. Quote:
I've played around for a while with this move, and I find it excruciatingly difficult. For instance, I've wanted to use this move as a way to get the card side-jogged so I can do a diagonal palm shift. But I can't get the card too move with my pinkie, or I get more than one card moving. It is hard to get the pinkie pad on the card without creating a visible gap at the fron of the deck. I have the same problem if I'm going to do a side steal from the spectators peak, so therefore I usually do a side steal after closing a spread, because it is easier to get the card side-jogged. Anybody else have this problem? Any tip on how to overcome this difficulty? I think I must have read the description in Card College a thousand times. I have discovered that on some days, when I have really good skin (good friction with the cards), it is easier, and possible to kick the card out. But my skin is like this this maybe 20-30 % of the time, so it is very unreliable. I might mention also that I have quite long fingers. EagerlyLearning, the card above the left little finger break starts moving with the correct upward pressure of the little finger. It's not the pad of the pinky that's used. It's the right thumb at the inner left corner of the deck that controls how many cards move. The card isn't pushed out; it's pivoted on the ball of the right little finger. Therefore, it's never "side-jogged." Any gap created on the front end of the deck is minimal and covered by the right fingers. The spectator shouldn't really be able to see the front end of the deck at all. If your skin is too dry, you may need a supplement like O'Keefe's Working Hands cream or Golden Touch hand lotion. The work described in Elements is based largely on Marlo's "Technical Side Steal." It's in the "Side Steal" chapter of Revolutionary Card Magic. If the cost of this hardbound book is prohibitive, you can still buy the individual chapters in booklet form for a nominal price from Magic, Inc. |
Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts |
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On Feb 5, 2017, Lance Pierce wrote: Sorry, Lance. The torrent I downloaded had a pretty crappy scan. Difficult to glean the full details. |
Lance Pierce Special user 878 Posts |
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EagerlyLearning New user 93 Posts |
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On Feb 5, 2017, Lance Pierce wrote: Thx, Lance, appreciate the advice. You mean it's pivoted on the ball of the RIGHT pinkie? Don't you mean left? I find it difficult to get good enough contact with the card using the ball, if I understand correctly that term. "Ball" means just below the "pad", correct? So, if I understand you correctly, the pinkie is more stationary holding back this one card in a way, while the rest of the top packet is moving flush with the bottom packet. Is it possible to put it like that? I have read the descriptions in Marlo's book. Maybe I should read it again. I have the Paul Cummins dvd on the side steal too, even though he's using "deliberate stel" and instructin to push with your pinkie up against your right shoulder |
Lance Pierce Special user 878 Posts |
Hi,
Assuming you're right-handed and hold the deck in your left hand, the right hand helps hold the deck from above with the right little finger at the outer right corner. That's the pivot point, against the right little finger, for the card to swivel (rather than being pushed to the side). This is a departure from earlier side steal techniques in that it's easier to get the card to swivel rather than move, and it also puts the card in alignment with the right hand. It's the tip of the left little finger that initially moves the card. You can't really get to the card with the ball or pad without contorting that finger, so the very tip it is. The finger swivels the card to the right; the upper half of the deck doesn't move. The lower half of the deck drops ever so slightly to allow the little finger entrance to make contact with the card. The right thumb, which is at the inner left corner of the deck, keeps more than one card from moving off. The Deliberate Side Steal is to move a card from center to top, and no one handles it better than Paul. The Technical Side Steal is to move a card into full right-hand palm. They start in a similar way but finish very differently. |
Sari Atassi New user Syria 50 Posts |
As Lance Pierce have already said..
It's the right thumb that controls how many cards gets side-jogged If you're getting more than one card, I think you're holding the cards very lightly with your right thumb As you're pushing the card out with your pinky, hold the rest of the cards with your right thumb firmly.. Hope this helps!
It's easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled. ~ Mark Twain
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Invisticone Regular user 132 Posts |
I am away from my compuyer at the moment, but I seem to remember having a download by Lance Pierce (Silky Smooth Card Magic if memory serves) that covered some of this. I may be misremembering. I certainly learned nice false shuffle sequences.
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ThomasJ Special user Chicago 999 Posts |
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On Feb 6, 2017, Lance Pierce wrote: This is what most people overlook. |
EagerlyLearning New user 93 Posts |
Actually, recently, I've discovered that holding the upper packet exclusively between the two thumbs, so it is possible to swiwel the upper packet slightly between the two thumbs, makes it easier. The grip is similar to the one I use for the Herrmann pass (Because if I hold the upper packet on both short ends, this will prevent the card from pivoting freely!). The card pivoting is the result of a two-way motion: 1) the packet movements, and 2) slight pressure from pinkie pad. Then I use the left ringfinger to push the card further into palm position. The other right fingers covers the front, but do not excert any pressure on the deck. I keep the 1st slightly curled on top. The right 2nd finger plays an important part 1) it is close to the left thumb and helps to control only one card pivoting, and also to prevent that card from protruding at the front left side.
This can be done with minimal gap at the front & left side of the deck. I think I finnaly might have found a solution that works for my hands |
EagerlyLearning New user 93 Posts |
I might be the right thumb pad also helps to control only one card, as mentioned in an earlier post above.
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Rachmaninov Inner circle 1076 Posts |
Good advices in this thread.
This sleight is a hard one to do well. I never see any magician using it for a control, excepting after a spread. The sleight be delayed, unless you can do a super fast and neat side steal like Paul Cummins. |
EagerlyLearning New user 93 Posts |
Unfortunately I don't have big enough hands to do a deliberate steal as Paul Cummins does. I need to get the card into a full palm. Alternatively, I could do it with the card sticking out, but that is quite bold (i probably would have to angle the deck upwards then). Even when the card is in full palm, it's difficult for me to not separate the right hand from the deck if I'm going to replace the card on top. With practice though, I have been able to keep the tip of my right 1st finger on the right front corner of the deck, although this requires great precision.
By the way, Paul Cummins is a true master of the side steal, and I love his "side steal declassified" dvd, which includes a lot of great tricks using the side steal. |
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