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pradell Special user Alaska 560 Posts |
As a young magician in front of my junior high class I did some magic and the hiding the dime device failed and the dime flew across the room and hit the wall rather than disappearing. Everyone laughed. I turned red with shame.
How we respond is the key. I should have realized that I got a laugh and enjoyed the fact that I was ENTERNAINING the audience. That's the point, really. No one knows what you are going to do. Unlike blowing song lyrics to a tune everyone knows, a magician's tricks can go in many directions. Some magicans make their living by blowing tricks. Carl Ballentine is an example of this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8EIdsYaeck Your job is not to fool anyone. It is to entertain them. So go with the flow. Pretend you meant to do whatever you did, regardless of what happens, and the audience will go with it. Turn red, look embarrased, and telegraph to the audience that you feel bad about yourself and you will make the audience feel bad too. For you. They actually want you to succeed. So work with them and communicate with them in a meaningful way and touch their hearts. It looks from your post that you succeeded to entertain the audience. So forgive yourself. Move on. Enjoy. Learn from your mistakes. Heck, you may change your approach so that you are not simply there to "prove" that you are the best magician in the world. If you are enjoying what you do, the audience will pick up on the vibe and have fun with you. |
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cuervo5150 New user Riverside, CA 56 Posts |
Pradell, those were some great words of encouragement. I'm working with a group of 8-12 year olds that are going to put on the final act of a talent show by performing a magic act. Some are still nervous, but they are all into practicing the various tricks I taught them. If you don't mind, I'd just like to print your post out and let them read it.
I give them pep talks all the time and they seem pretty confident for the most part. But hearing words from another may give them a nice boost in the pep department. Thanks, Chris |
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cuervo5150 New user Riverside, CA 56 Posts |
And not to forget ToShareIsLove,
Thank you, I appreciate your offer. I most certainly will seek your assistance if I ever have a brainstorm for an app. In the meantime, reset and get out there and do some more magic and let us know how your triumphant return went. |
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jljones83 New user LA, CA 90 Posts |
Thanks, ToShareIsLove!
If I ever need an app or help with one, I know where to go now! As others have said here, the audience doesn't know what's supposed to happen in the trick, so they don't know what's NOT supposed to happen either. As long as you react like that was part of the trick, they'll think it was part of the trick. That is, unless you drop a TT on the floor. No one thinks that was supposed to happen |
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HenryleTregetour Regular user 184 Posts |
Forgive me, but I will go ahead and tell about the most embar-ass-ing moment in my life.
When I was a kid I used to spend part of the summer with my grandparents. Like all kids I experienced things that were taboo, and in this case they caught me red-handed (?butted?) nude sunbathing! Needless to say, I got up, went inside, and put on some clothes. My grandparents never said a word about it, and neither did I. So, ToShare, there are much worse things than having a stranger video tape something. And that is the tale of my first public performance--the amazing Disappearing Act. It was all impromptu. HLT Oversharing |
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ToShareIsLove New user 21 Posts |
Pradell, THANK YOU!
I NEVER EVEN HEARD of Carl Ballentine until now...I didn't know this can be a thing ! Wow this guy really OWN the idea of sucking at magic. He take the embarrassment, turn it 180 degree and OWN that !@#$% ! I like your sentence: "If you are enjoying what you do, the audience will pick up on the vibe and have fun with you." Thank you pradell! Oh cuervo5150, you are a teacher too ! So am I ! From one teacher to another, Hi ! Dear HenryleTregetour, is it ok that I confess I always wanted to swim naked ? At least once ? Cause that is so...ballsy ! You are the man ! |
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HenryleTregetour Regular user 184 Posts |
ToShare,
Just make sure there is no video camera around--unless you want one! HLT |
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magicstudent8416 Regular user 172 Posts |
This is indeed heinous crime against magic. Please book a one way ticket to Belize and destroy your computer.
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ToShareIsLove New user 21 Posts |
HenryleTregetour:
"Just make sure there is no video camera around--unless you want one!" Maybe a sex tape could be my way to the top after magic ! Wait...I am not hot...nevermind. |
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danaruns Special user The City of Angels 808 Posts |
Just saw this thread. Last night a magician who was a role model of mine, and who I had just talked to on Wednesday, killed himself at the Magic Castle. It's a huge loss for the entire magic community. When I saw this thread title it was very upsetting. If you can change the title of the thread, I sure would appreciate it if you'd change it to something a little less drama queen and a little more respectful. I know that sounds like I'm over-sensitive, and perhaps right now I am. Thanks for understanding.
"Dana Douglas is the greatest magician alive. Plus, I'm drunk." -- Foster Brooks
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
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On Feb 22, 2017, pradell wrote: I'm sure that your encouragement will be appreciated! However, may I please clarify your comment about Meyer Kessler, aka, Carl Sharpe, aka Carl Ballantine? The late MK, CS, CB was a very skilled performer, and ACTOR! You may have see him as "Gruber" in "McHales's Navy", a "black and white" TV series. In his early days (1940s) performing his "class act", he accidentally "blew" a bit. He adlibbed a line, which got a big laugh, and, THAT, was the "beginning" of a great career! I first saw him work in 1951 in a Chicago "vaudeville" theater. His act "killed"! Years later, we both belonged to the "Three Sheeters", a Chicago club of professional entertainers. To be a good "clown", one must first be a good straight performer. Carl was!
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
Daryl was a good friend of mine, also. We worked the Castle together, almost 40 years ago. We were last together, in September 2015, at the Houdini Club in Wisconsin, I shall miss him. I, too, would hope that the title of this thread can be changed.
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Dapperdan Regular user Detroit Area Magicians & Mentalists (DAMM) 136 Posts |
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On Feb 25, 2017, danaruns wrote: Yes... In respect to Daryl... please change the title of this post!
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SoyMilky Regular user 144 Posts |
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On Feb 25, 2017, danaruns wrote: So is this what we are doing now ? Calling people who expresses that they want to kill themselves drama queens until they actually do it ? I bet you are one of those people who shouts "Put out or shut up Drama Queens" when people say they want to kill themselves. But NATURALLY when they DO kill themselves, you act all self righteous DEMANDING that titles or the world change for your hurt feelings because you are SO RIGHTEOUS in your behavior [calling people dramas queens before they ACTUALLY did the act and then acting all self righteous and sad and not your fault when they actually did it.] Naturally people like you think that you can do no wrong so I am not expecting an apology here. |
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danaruns Special user The City of Angels 808 Posts |
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On Feb 26, 2017, SoyMilky wrote: You're right that you're not getting an apology. Dude screwed up a magic trick and said, "I messed up so bad, I'm so embarrassed I want to kill myself." It's a figure of speech, quite over the top and very drama queenie. . It wasn't a real expression of suicidal ideation. And this thread isn't filled with people talking him off the ledge or giving him suicide hot line numbers. Please try to distinguish between real suicide and drama for drama's sake. This thread is the latter. Some of us just experienced the former, and are a bit sensitive about it right now. And you take me to task, but had no condemnation for this comment? Quote:
Cut your self with the edges of cards so you die slowly enough to learn to appreciate life and that card tricks aren't the be all and end all of existence. Get off my back. Sounds like you're a little high on the drama meter, yourself.
"Dana Douglas is the greatest magician alive. Plus, I'm drunk." -- Foster Brooks
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
@SoyMilky:
Danaruns and I have had a few differences of opinion, but in this situation, I agree 100% with her. A First o' May (and, I consider you to be one) would be wise to to use his ears, more than his mouth. I think that you owe her, and, all of us who were friends of Daryl, your apology.
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SoyMilky Regular user 144 Posts |
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On Feb 27, 2017, danaruns wrote: Dear social justice warrior, there are 7 billion people in the world. X number of people is going to experience x number of event right about now and is thus sensitive to x right now. Should they put on their social justice hat like you and demand that things be change because they are “sensitive” to x right now ? Imagine a world where everyone behaves like you, welcome to hell. Hey guess what, I am pretty sure someone hurt their fingers typing and are very sensitive to everyone using keyboard to type right about now because it reminds her of her hurting fingers, would you stop typing for a day for her ? Because you know...She is *sensitive* right now... Hey guess what, 7 billion people in the world, at least one religious person from a certain religious group is very upset that you are not dressed up top to bottom in black. Would you CHANGE your ability to express yourself for that poor butt hurt lady instead ? Since you care so much about *feelings*, I am sure you can understand other people have *feelings* too or maybe you don't because you just labeled someone a drama queen like it's a word right after *the*. Remember that lady thinks you are violating her belief of how a human should behave with the way you dress and she is a little *sensitive* right about now. Hey, 7 billion people in the world, some people just lost their ability to walk right now, and they are sensitive to you being able to walk, would you please...since you think EVERYONE should change their way of expression for your feelings, maybe you should like not walk for a year to make that person feel better would you not my dear social justice warrior ? How about a week ? Just because you have feelings, YOU DEMAND that others express their feelings IN AGREEMENT and in compliance to how YOU deem their feelings should be expressed ? or else they are, what did you so casually tossed out?...Oh right drama queens... I didn't know you having feelings give you so much right over other people’s right to their own expression ! You should be president ! Yes, because calling someone a drama queen doesn't hurt their feelings because YOUR feeling is more important, so important indeed that THEY have to change THEIR way of expression for YOU and your social justice warrior clans. You want a country’s name be change because you don't like how it sounds ? You want a name be change because you are sensitive to it ? No no, you are an angel...You just DEMAND that a title be change and another person ’s way of expressing be alter FOR YOU OR ELSE they are what did you label them again ? Drama queens ? Oh right because it's OK to call people that because they don't have feelings but you do, oh OK. Why don't you go build your own North Korea ? And the audacity to call on me to get off your back when you are ON someone’s back demanding that their way of expression be change...The irony is so blatantly you might as well tattoo “social justice warrior” on your arm. As for you Dick Oslund, I read through your post ever since our last conversation, it didn't take ten post into your history to realize you are always passive aggressiveness demanding for some kind of apology from some people, go find victim mentality Inc, maybe they can help you with your passive aggressiveness. |
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SoyMilky Regular user 144 Posts |
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On Feb 26, 2017, Dick Oslund wrote: Look at all your post Dick Oslund, pradell is just happily sharing his wonderful words of support and the vibe of the thread was really really good and then out of nowhere you felt a need to correct him and went on tangent to some topic irrelevant to what his original intention was. You hi-jacked a thread about giving support to new magicians and turn it into a “look at how awesome I am and how much I know more than you” session. Look through your own post, you are always correcting someone on something irrelevant who didn't ask to be corrected just to make yourself feel better than they are, or complaining that something is being done to you or your community or asking for some kind of apology. Why is this your theme ? Is this part of your act ? Are you the victim magician ? Or are you just a professional victim ? This thread was such a good source of support for beginners until misses social justice warrior and you, Mr. professional victim chems in. I didn't want to say anything until you actually hi-jacked this thread AGAIN and actually went all out and demanded that I apologize to the world. Very slew Mr Dick Oslund, always twisting and turning emotions to get all the apologies that you need for the day [you run a common theme, praising the person right above you and then passive aggressively attack the person before, less then five replies later ask for apology in a passive aggressive way. Can you like up your antics a bit cause a bot could comb through your threads and derive at the same conclusion], is it like your breakfast or supper ? The sad part about all these was I actually went far back into your posts using Google search and realized that at the beginning you were not like that and then suddenly you start exhibiting this behavior a few years ago. What happened to you ? Wait...I don't care, because I am not interested in professional victims. |
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danaruns Special user The City of Angels 808 Posts |
You sound very young. And you have clearly not gone through the suicide of a good friend or family member or teacher or mentor or loved one. I hope you never do. It's not fun. I truly couldn't care less what you think of me, but you obviously had no relationship with Daryl. Many of us did. Many of us who post right here in this forum. For those and all in the magic community who knew him, it's personal, not theoretical. It's a loss that hits hard. I was hanging out with him at the palace bar in the Magic Castle just two nights before he took his life. Two nights. I should have noticed something. I didn't. He seemed happy. He obviously wasn't. Was there something I should have seen? Should have noticed? Could have said or done? Did I say anything to make things worse? Did he know I cared? Why didn't he ask for help? There were so many people there who loved him. Did I miss the signs?
In retrospect, perhaps I shouldn't have used the term "drama queen," but that's what it seems to me. Way, over the top drama for something incredibly insignificant, that offends those who are really dealing with the personal loss of a friend, mentor or colleague. Think of me what you want. This is something I'm struggling with. To see this thread title was a punch in the gut. If you don't get why . . . well, that's fine. Like you say, there are 7 billion people in the world. Not all of them will understand. Dick Oslund does. And as he notes, he and I have had our disagreements. When we agree on something like this, that tells you something.
"Dana Douglas is the greatest magician alive. Plus, I'm drunk." -- Foster Brooks
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SoyMilky Regular user 144 Posts |
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On Feb 27, 2017, danaruns wrote: Why didn't he ask YOU for help ? Maybe because you have been known to call someone who say he is going to kill themselves a "drama queen" ? Because you might say to him "Oh you are way over the top" ? I know a thread where you say that to someone who says he is going to kill himself though... Not sure if you can remember which thread you said it though because you are such a caring angel...oh SOOOO caring AFTER the did is done...oh right THIS thread. Quote:
On Feb 27, 2017, danaruns wrote: Yes, because other people's experience that doesn't affect you are "INCREDIBLY INSIGNIFICANT". Yes Yes, I know, your life and YOUR EXPERIENCE and the sadness YOU feel is significant. Others...not so significant...oh hold on...what is the term you use ? Oh right "INCREDIBLY INSIGNIFICANT", not just insignificant, but INCREDIBLY...INCREDIBLY INSIGNIFICANT. Wow, you are so full of your self righteous bull that I am starting to think you are incapable of seeing past what you are doing here. Maybe...maybe you really can't see it...I am really starting to think you can't see it now. I think you are mentally blocking off what you are attempting to do here, people like you are very dangerous because you wear that smile and you use words that drive up emotions to get people on your side, very dangerous. Notice I did not attempt to get any members here on my side, there is no need for me to use words like "we" to attempt to manipulate the reader that they are part of me, hence subconsciously getting them on my side. When people cannot get their point across without sheep mentality, they use *we* to gather the masses to their side often. And you use such caring words...so dangerous. So manipulative. Quote:
On Feb 27, 2017, danaruns wrote: and...because of that...you demand that: 1: The title be changed. 2: Call the person a drama queen. 3: Make a note that his experience is INCREDIBLY INSIGNIFICANT compared to your *feelings* [because the person you insult have no feelings or what he feels is NOTHING compared to yours because you are OH SO IMPORTANT. When it comes down to it, that is basically what you are implying.] You are such an angel, they should like give you the angel of the year award. Is there anything that is going to make you feel sad next months that you demand that your neighbor repaint their house to make you feel better ? How long before you demand that the entire theme of a restaurant change for you because you were in a country that serves those food and it reminds you of sad stuff ? How long before you demand X to change because they are INCREDIBLY INSIGNIFICANT compared to whatever you are feeling and X should change for you ? You will make a good dictator, the path to hell is laid with good intentions, with your caring words you try to cover a veil that demands that the world change for your feelings [Mostly YOUR feelings and those who identify with you, other people's feeling...well they are nothing more than simply *INCREDIBLY INSIGNIFICANT*]and the putting down of other people's feeling to the point of calling them INCREDIBLY INSIGNIFICANT. Your caring intentions are your surface words, the intent behind your *caring words* and hidden insults are the ice beneath the sea that people blinded by your words will miss dear dictator. You are not so different from that Dick Oslund guy, as a matter of fact the both of you behaves as one [and came into this thread at the same time...its like some kind of vulture and prey instinct], passive aggressively draining the positive energy that was in this thread and turn it into a pool of things that must be change for you while Dick Oslund just do his usual "I want an apology" passive agrressive move he did in his threads here and everywhere else. The both of you should be friends, you are the same kind. Positive energy vampires, you drain and you drain. You turn a good thread into a thread that must change for you. Your partner in crime Dick Oslund latches on and want to get his usual share of the pie and turn it into a "apologize to me or else" thread for him as usual. Well done. |
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