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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
Peterson,
Er, just for my peace of mind, are you English/British? |
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Peterson Regular user 159 Posts |
I know that I have trouble explaining my point of view because the English is not my fist or even second language. So I am going to use an example.
There is Ukrainian blogger who frequently calls Uzbekistan or Arab people from Russia and tells them that he done one bad thing with their mother. Imagine the reaction. They yell, threat and just go crazy, because he said one sentence. Instead of ignoring him or just hang up on him they are involved. They try to set up a meeting to beat or even murder him because he said that one sentence. ( he sometimes pulls this off by using street view cameras and just laughs at them when they come like in pack of 10 people to beat him up). The point is this. If some retard tells something unpleasant - why even bother to listen to him? As I said. I can get frustration and short anger, but if someone is really p*ssed off or he is really angry, I think that person deserves it. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
All magicians, to me, are fictional characters who exhibit the art of appearing to perform absurd feats. When a magician makes an absurd claim I go along with the claim, without questioning it logically, to enter the spirit of thing, for my amusement. When I hear self-styled "ex-professionals” regaling the public, with astounding disclosures of their former wiles and wickedness, I will go along with it for my amusement, especially if it is a magician doing so. The world is their stage. Some never step out of character and stick to their fictional backstories in their daily lives. Off stage magicians can seem strange and even obnoxious, because their fictional characters are strange and determine and the way they act. For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSyy07lNWug
Dai Vernon actually was a great raconteur, which is a person who tells tall stories, anecdotes in a skilful and amusing way. I don’t question such stories; I listen to them for my amusement. Unlike you, I do not defend or attack magical fictional characters or the stories they tell which do not exist in reality. Magicians do not exist in reality; they are not born in England or anywhere else on the planet. They are make-believe characters from the world of dreams. Fiction means "that which is invented or imagined in the mind.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
I have no problem with it tommy. As long as you don't call me a lay-bastard.
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dapo24 New user 57 Posts |
He threw the bait and you all caught it. Just ignore the guy, there's no reason to waste that much time on him.
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Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts |
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On Mar 10, 2017, dapo24 wrote: Keep up the good work. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Correct!
Many magicians, who perform magic with a gambling theme, pretend they have some actual card table experience. I.e. This move was shown to me by a very clever cardsharp, who I met in a casino in Havana and they tell all sorts of ripping yarns. There may be a grain of truth in some of them but they exaggerate to create what are illusions, which are distortions of the truth. A magician can be put up here at the Spot as one who knows or as a flat but really they are all dubious. Never mind magicians, we should never believe anybody. Stephen Fry: Learning: How do we know what to believe? http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xg6exg_......creation
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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MediocreMagic New user 1 Post |
Was Erdnase that good after all? Yes, they authored the book The Expert at the Card Table, considered essential reading for any card magician. I agree, it's a fantastic book and a wonderful resource. With that being said, when did writing a book equate that the author could actually do what was within' the pages of it?
That seems to be the automatic assumption made by readers, however, I could author a book about heart surgery with the help of a few resources, so does this mean I am able to go into a hospital and perform open heart surgery? Absolutely not. So because Erdanse wrote a book about sleight of hand, cheating and so forth doesn't necessarily prove they were able to do it. Theory vs Practice. Remember S. W. Erdnase is a pseudonym, nobody actually saw "them" do these things. I don't have much of an opinion on Madison, I've never met the guy, but regardless if you like him or not he can at least prove he can pull off those moves. Maybe I'm wrong, and that's OK as I am only providing a different way to look at it. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Erdnase is good. It is the magicians who are not good sleight of hand artists which are not.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts |
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On Mar 13, 2017, MediocreMagic wrote: Indeed you are. |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
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On Mar 13, 2017, MediocreMagic wrote: I'm not good with English language, "to pull off" means "to butcher", right? |
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Lempereur New user 85 Posts |
Hold it...hold it now.........
"There is no fighting allowed in the War Room........." from "Dr. Strangelove"
Cordially Yours,
Jim Rose |
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Lempereur New user 85 Posts |
Actually, I am surprised there is even semi-arguing on this, one of, if not the top, magic forum in the world.
If I wanted to throw down with someone, I would go to the political or NFL forums! Jim Rose
Cordially Yours,
Jim Rose |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Dr. Strangelove was a true story.
It is well known in the underground world of high-stakes card playing that Johnny Moss slept with a copy of Expert at the Card Table under his pillow.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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Maxyedid Special user Panama 843 Posts |
NEW BOOK! "Semi-Automatic Miracles" - INSTANT Best-Seller at Lybrary.com
https://www.lybrary.com/semiautomatic-card-miracles-p-925333.html chaos handlings, out of hands effects, and more |
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Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts |
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On Mar 14, 2017, Maxyedid wrote: What a load of tosh. It's a download, not a DVD. |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On Mar 14, 2017, Artie Fufkin wrote: Wait a minute. Are you saying that this is not the mystical code behind Erdnase that pundits have been trying to ascertain for the last 115 years? Also, SW Erdnase consists of 9 letters and not 13 letters as in Daniel Madison. I think this is where Elsdon went wrong. Using 9 letters instead of 13 clarifies and validates the entire decoding procedure. Also, even on downloads, aren't there individual videos presented making the deciphering more valid and ascertainable? This is why I love The Gambling Spot?...always the best and most up to date mystical information. It would not surprise me if a motion picture was in the works entitled "Madison’s Quest for Erdnase" staring AMcD as Dan Madison (without the finger rings of course). Of course, AMcD would have to grow a scraggly beard and get a few hundred tattoos. But hey, no sacrifice is too great for art. |
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Lempereur New user 85 Posts |
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On Mar 14, 2017, Artie Fufkin wrote: I pointed that same thing out in the other Madison thread. But you do have to admit that Mark Elsdon's idea is an inventive and brilliant piece of sarcasm! But Since I already posted it there, I have to make sure that I do not duplicate my post otherwise it will get deleted and not count toward the 50 posts required to see the magical Buy and Sell area.
Cordially Yours,
Jim Rose |
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Lempereur New user 85 Posts |
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On Mar 10, 2017, tommy wrote: I agree. One of my favorite Magicians of all time was Tommy Cooper-Comedy Magician in the 1970s and 80s. He purposely screwed up 80% of all his effects for laughs. The audience knew it ahead of time, but they loved it so much in England that he ended up with his own weekly show. I believe this Erdanse vs. Madison exposes a clash of viewpoints in the professional magic world. To the more traditional 'Suit' Magician, Madison makes their skin crawl. To the younger generation, he is a demi-god who can do no wrong. Who is correct? Both are. I am new here, but I do believe that some here take this too seriously. The only reason I do magic is to make people laugh and smile and have fun. If you view it that way and make money, you are not really working and that is the best situation of all. If you are in it for anything else, you are just going through the motions. I have to make sure this post is long enough or it will get deleted and not count toward the required 50 posts to see the magical Buy and Sell area.
Cordially Yours,
Jim Rose |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
I think the boys regard him as a charlatan rather than a magician and I myself do not like charlatans at all. If you are a magician then you must be careful not to cross the line into charlatanry. There some good books on charlatanry; http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=27
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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