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Didiercartomagie New user 42 Posts |
Do you know how I can buy it ....impossible to find in Europe.
Thanks for your help Didier from Paris |
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MarcoLostSomething Regular user 144 Posts |
Hate to be that guy, but you mispelled the name... expecially while doing fine researches being precise is important.
Good luck! |
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Jerry Inner circle Some where in Florida 1402 Posts |
Didier, I will be the "other guy".
Go here: https://coolotis.wordpress.com/page/11/ I believe he is sold out. But if he does another batch, he will most likely post it on his blog. Or you can email here: http://www.toddlassen.com/contact.htm Pocket trimmer forum here: https://coolotis.wordpress.com/pocket-trimmer-forum/ I was able to snatch one of the last of seven! Hope this help sir. Jerry |
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Merc Man Inner circle NUNEATON, Warwickshire 2537 Posts |
Why would you want to butcher cards (potentially making the deck unexaminable) when you can achieve more or less the same things by using, for example, a breather crimp?
Barry Allen
Over 14 years have passed - and still missing Abra Magazine arriving every Saturday morning. |
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Jerry Inner circle Some where in Florida 1402 Posts |
The idea is to not butcher cards, but to alter then on micron level.
Check out Jason Englands "Sub Rosa" or the "Fast Jack" lecture for expamles as to what can be done with this device. |
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Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts |
To those who might know what they're looking at (and even for some who don't), one might posit that a breather crimp is just as easily spotted as a n-stripped deck.
Of course, there are others who would note that if indeed either of those modifications are noticeable to the laity ... you sir, are just not doing it right! |
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MarcoLostSomething Regular user 144 Posts |
Merc, I'm afraid you can't achieve the same effect as strippers with a crimp.
By the way, does anyone ever tried to build a trimmer on his own? Might be a fun challenge for someone who knows what to look for |
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Jerry Inner circle Some where in Florida 1402 Posts |
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On May 16, 2017, MarcoLostSomething wrote: Jason England does that on his video "Sub Rosa". Using a home made trimmer. Geno Munari's also in his "Concave Belly Stripper" DVD, although it is near identical to Jason's. Unless you mean a highly machined device done with thousands of dollars worth of equipment accomplished with years of experience. |
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Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts |
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On May 16, 2017, MarcoLostSomething wrote: No need to build a trimmer (you'd never be able to duplicate Lassen's machine shop skills anyway). All you really need is a fibre-board nail file from your local drugstore ... as sanding the card does a far more discreet job than anything that "cuts" or "chops" the card. |
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Merc Man Inner circle NUNEATON, Warwickshire 2537 Posts |
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On May 17, 2017, Artie Fufkin wrote: Hallelujah! Heh, but you know magiiiiiikeans.......they just love their 'toys for the boys'! P.S. Dai Vernon (and others) of course achieved it with a shard of broken glass. But sod that, let's buy an overpriced prop!
Barry Allen
Over 14 years have passed - and still missing Abra Magazine arriving every Saturday morning. |
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Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts |
The nail file definitely does a better job than broken glass, and as the broken glass move was something you were presumably supposed to do in the bathroom (which never made any sense to me - sorry Dai), it kind of doesn't make sense to sit at your kitchen table in your underwear scraping away at a playing card with a shard of glass
BTW, the good nail files are 75 cents each ... if you go for the cheap ones, the price goes down to around 35 cents each. Lassen's pocket trimmer (which I'll admit I'm in possession of) goes for around $400.00 ... the math describing "bang for your buck" is pretty easy to do! |
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jjsanvert Special user Paris, France 581 Posts |
Artie: time is money too.
When you use a good trimmer, you are saving a lot of time, compared to the nail file work. You should also mention the right kind of nail file to use (3 faces), or you will ruin the cards. Plus a lot of others détails that make the difference. One last thing: when NS are expertly done, you can't see anything.
JJS
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Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts |
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On May 18, 2017, jjsanvert wrote: Geez J.J. - how many cards are you putting work into?! I firmly believe that any card cut with Lassen's machine will be optically identifiable by those in the know, whereas a card with the work put in by somebody with a file who knows what they're doing, could be invisible. |
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JasonEngland V.I.P. Las Vegas, NV 1728 Posts |
Just to clarify - I have several different machines that all put in negative work in cards. Some by Lassen, some by Dr. X and a few others. I wouldn't describe any of them as "home made." They were all made by machinists with far greater machining skill than I'll ever have. I showed a few of them on the Sub-Rosa video, but they were all professionally made by these other craftsmen, not by me.
Jason
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jjsanvert Special user Paris, France 581 Posts |
Artie, I work on many cards as I want to decrease the work on them. Practicing on both the NS sizes and the techniques to use them takes time. You have to reduce the visibility of the strips to the max, and so you have to be able to use the best tools. All of this takes time, not only in pratice, making, but also research. For exemple, I prefer the use of 3 faces files to make them, but I also had to find what tool was the best to keep the card fixed exactly as I needed while working with the files on it. The elastic band is not good enough. I also discovered that the best results are done by working on ONE card at a time. More time consuming too.
JJS
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TH10111 Regular user 155 Posts |
With certain work the consistency with which you can cut becomes very important. This is especially true when cutting many cards from the same deck. With negative work it is generally only of concern when multiple stripped cards are next to each other in the deck.
This is because significant discrepancies can cause a shadow under the right light, which makes the work much easier to spot. Getting the required consistency is very difficult with only a file. A cheap template could be used, or you are left with one of the precision made devices... |
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Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts |
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Getting the required consistency is very difficult with only a file. Not with one of the Dr.X machines it's not. Every card is identical ... and the work is put in with a file. |
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TH10111 Regular user 155 Posts |
I would consider the Dr.X device a precision made template, rather than work put in with only a file.
(Assuming I'm correct in my understanding of the way the device is used...) |
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Jerry Inner circle Some where in Florida 1402 Posts |
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On May 19, 2017, JasonEngland wrote: Jason, I was purposefully being vague to avoid revealing the method. I was not referring to the devices themselves, but to how you explain how to "put the work in the cards" (Sub Rosa - 33:30) using tools/materials available to everyone. Sorry if I cause or mislead anyone thinking that the machine devices displayed on Sub Rosa are home made, they most certainly are NOT! |
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jjsanvert Special user Paris, France 581 Posts |
I get absolute consistency with a file precisely because of the tool I mentioned I use to hold the card while I work on it. Precise consistency on the place and on the thickness of the work.
JJS
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