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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
How many here actually begin an effect with a coin production? I ask because I'm working on a simple one coin production from fp,and upon looking, have found few references. Even in Bobo's, Miser's Dream sends the reader to a couple of other effects in the book. Is this because such a production is considered elementary? Or because, though the concept seems simple, it's not necessarily easy to describe- more you just have to practice and you'll know it when you see it? Akin to Greater Magic's mention of the card fan? (Chapter II)
Rather than opening with production, many routines, now that I think of it, begin with coins openly shown. I'm just wondering why. Does method seem too obvious? Doesn't stop the card manipulators. Or is it that, in actuality, it's not that easy to openly produce a coin in a way that looks magical? That's my hunch at the moment. What do you think? |
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Michael Rubinstein V.I.P. 4665 Posts |
Here is my opener where I produce four coins:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wmr0drxM9s
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tonsofquestions Inner circle 1802 Posts |
A lot of people do this. Dr. Rubinstein, Eric Jones, Joshua Jay, etc.
Many are done as a "standalone" routine - make three coins appear and then completely vanish (OxyClean, Triad Coins, etc.) but you could do a 3-fly or any other set of effects in the middle, and then (optionally) vanish them all. |
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
To give you a little context, this is the "coin" I want to produce:
It's a 1 1/2" (38.1mm) bronze medallion. I'll also do a spellbound change to a '67 Canadian silver half (howling wolf). Preceding effect is Cups and Balls- brown ball + white ball to Collie dog figurine. The production and spellbound will be a short bit- sort of an intro to wolves, day > night, in an animal themed show. 1/2 hour 5yr old birthday party. Kids are sharp. It needs to look magical, as mentioned. I found a thread that raised this issue, especially regarding Miser's Dream type productions, which gave me some validation, and a few tips that broadened my horizon, but I'd appreciate more input. Thanks for replies so far. |
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J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
Laurie, I sent you a PM.
Jim |
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tonsofquestions Inner circle 1802 Posts |
Ahh, I misread that as "coin productions", so thought you meant multiple coins.
The specific coin (while pretty) doesn't actually matter - it's irrelevant to the production, unless you feel like doing something thematic - have a stuffed wolf and change that into the coin. It's easier with just one coin, and you still have many options. Most of the ones I speak of still start with producing a single coin - you could just stop at that for yours... |
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
From my experience, a production of a small object requires both focused attention and anticipation of astonishment -- if they know you are a magician (Furst Principles)
In many casual situations one of the key elements is missing an the production will not be seen as "must be magic." Alternately, if the three key elements are present, then a production can be an excellent way to start as in my article above "Quarter Time." The idea of starting wiha single, produced coin and then morphing it into something else provides an intriguing logic for coins that may otherwise be seen as tricky props. I have ahd greater success by having a "passed around" tray of various coins from which a spectator selects one for me to work with. In a sense, it is "produced" -- with the advantage that the coins come across as 'unprepared/natural" while building attention and anticipation before you perform an 'opening' effect.'
"the more one pretends at magic, the more awe and wonder will be found in real life." Arnold Furst
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Michael Rubinstein V.I.P. 4665 Posts |
I also misunderstood that you wanted a one coin production. You can modify Roth's Flurry, to end up with the big coin.
S.E.M. (The Sun, the Moon, and the Earth) is a sun and moon routine unlike any other. Limited to 100 sets, here is the promo:
https://youtu.be/aFuAWCNEuOI?si=ZdDUNV8lUPWvtOcL $325 ppd USA (Shipping extra outside of USA). If interested, shoot me an email for ordering information at rubinsteindvm@aol.com |
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tonsofquestions Inner circle 1802 Posts |
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On Jun 2, 2017, funsway wrote: And what are these three key elements for those that don't know them? I like the idea of passing around a tray of objects for the spectators to choose from, but it's specifically *not* a solution to what the OP was asking about. |
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
The Furst Principles have been shared on the Café' many time and generally stated above.
In order for the observer to react with "must be magic," three conditions must be met: 1) they must know you are a magician, 2) they must know you plan on demonstrating something considered impossible, 3) they must know you are doing it NOW. If any factor is messing or confused the result might be entertaining, but not necessary magic. Thus, "starting with a production" might not be best as these factors may be "ifi" with today's audience. Alternately, it could be ideal if it is know these factors are in place. I obviously feel it does offer a solution as it can insure the critical factors are in place before the production. "I need a large coin - maybe close to two inches across. No! Oh, here it is just floating in the air!"
"the more one pretends at magic, the more awe and wonder will be found in real life." Arnold Furst
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Hi Laurie, I'm not sure what you're asking about. Would you rephrase your question?
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
Hi Jon, I have a few questions there, I suppose. The main being whether any specific instruction can aid in making a single coin production look magical, especially if you're beginning a coin routine with said production. Is that clearer?
Thanks all for your interest so far. I appreciate the responses. The thread I referenced earlier as being helpful can be found here: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&forum=3 |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Thanks Laurie, As Marion posted on that thread, Giocomo Bertini's update of l'homme Masque's (and Downs and Shaw) work a fine example of what can be done. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkf6ildlrsg You don't have to openly produce all the coins in your hand - just the one(s) you want them to see.
Another resource on the topic: http://archive.denisbehr.de/show.php?cat=593 There is also what Vernon used in his "Free and Unlimited ..." routine from The Vernon Book of Magic by Ganson, which uses both the table and "the moment" to keep the sleights away from the magical effect. Al Goshman seemed to do well with that approach. Best of luck with your project, JonT
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
Thank you, Jon. Giacomo's production impressed me, indeed. I do worry about angles but no doubt that looks magical. Thanks for all resource tips- I appreciate them.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
It's a funny thing about doing magic for laymen - that if you simply lift a prop on the table and discover a coin... you can get a darn good reaction.
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tonsofquestions Inner circle 1802 Posts |
Funsway: While they may have been listed before, I'm not certain I had seen them. Your previous post used no specific terms I could use to search for it. So thanks for clarifying.
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Gerald Deutsch Special user 526 Posts |
Progressive Production
This effect by Bob Carver appears on page 377 of Bobo "The New Modern Coin Magic" (it's not in the first edition or the paperback Dover version) and with some modifications I've made in the presentation, it's become one of my favorite impromptu effects. In the method, the only thing I've changed is the production of the first and second coins. I ask a spectator for a quarter and when I get it, it becomes two, then three, then four and then five. Then, as if this is a natural way to get money and not a magic effect, I use the line that comes from one Vernon attributes to Malini (See Dai Vernon Book of Magic page 106) as I give the lender back her quarter, "Thanks, I needed quarters." as I put the other four in my pocket. |
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Michael Rubinstein V.I.P. 4665 Posts |
If you are sitting at a table (but it can even be done standing) you can modify Goshman's use of an upside down bowl with spongeballs to coins.
S.E.M. (The Sun, the Moon, and the Earth) is a sun and moon routine unlike any other. Limited to 100 sets, here is the promo:
https://youtu.be/aFuAWCNEuOI?si=ZdDUNV8lUPWvtOcL $325 ppd USA (Shipping extra outside of USA). If interested, shoot me an email for ordering information at rubinsteindvm@aol.com |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Just a small note about the Aeriel Treasury effect in context:
A coin you casually pull from thin air might the thought of as less real in subsequent effects than one you carry as treasured.
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puggo Inner circle 2022 Posts |
Tom Stone creates a lot of focus and attention for the production in his one coin routine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPm0kMN7iAc
Charlie |
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