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E.S. Andrews New user 63 Posts |
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On Jun 8, 2017, tommy wrote: How did the United Nations become involved with efforts to address the member nations' impact on the world's climate and the catastrophic threat that impact poses to international security? By following its charter, which is a constitution, not a comprehensive code. It is a living document, not a static, temporal agreement frozen in the circumstances, technology, and scientific understandings of 1945. The charter's preamble commences with the same words as the United States Constitution: "We the peoples of the United Nations . . ." Article 1 sets out four (4) overarching purposes of the United Nations. Each obligates the United Nations to address the overwhelming scientific consensus about the existential crisis posed by continued unchecked deforestation and burning of fossil fuels by the member nations. Maintenance of international security is identified in subpart 1 of Article 1 as a primary purpose of the United Nations, and the related purposes set out in subparts 3 and 4 of Article 1 are pertinent to the point of prescient: "3. To achieve international co-operation in solving international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian character, and in promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion; and 4. To be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations in the attainment of these common ends." That about covers it, don't you think? |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
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On Jun 8, 2017, NYCTwister wrote: So, you're explanation is basically, "Yeah, we were talking about CC but I got confused and instead decided to go off on a tangent so that I could say that Republicans are stupid and racist." Which kind of makes me wonder, are you really Al Angello coming back to haunt us? Maybe you don't know Al, but he had great explanations like, "Black people don't vote Republican so that proves Republicans are racist!" Which is kinda like saying, "The KKK won't let Black people into their meetings so that proves Black people are racist!" It is however true that I've heard the claim before that people don't believe in AGW cause they're racist. Normally by the usual race baiters. So it's not a terribly original or creative claim. |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
Everyone likes to 'think' that they, or their side are more reasonable and are more willing to change their minds.
Just like I think that if the Earths temperature had continued to rise like the alarmists claimed it would instead of staying basically stagnant for the last 20 years, I might think there is something to the alarmism. NYCTwister probably thinks that is so many people in authority didn't believe in AGW than maybe he would be a little more skeptical himself. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Alexander King
Pioneering scientist at the forefront of the environmental cause Alexander King, who has died aged 98, was a pioneering scientist who warned of the dangers to the environment from extensive industrial development. He was one of the people who commissioned the 1972 Limits to Growth report, which triggered the first wave of international concern about the environment. This remains one of the world's largest selling books on the environment. He then became one of the founders of the international thinktank, the Club of Rome, which the Duke of Edinburgh has called the "conscience of the world". Limits to Growth (now in its third edition) touched a raw nerve in the body politic. Its warnings resonated with the fears of others that there was an emerging environmental crisis. The United Nations Environment Programme was established a few months after it appeared. The word "environment" does not even appear in the 1945 UN Charter, and King helped expand the UN's role into environmental protection. Ironically, his new career as an environmental evangelist began virtually as he was "retiring" from public service. He remained active in the environmental cause up to his death. His long-awaited memoirs, Let the Cat Turn Round: One Man's Traverse of the Twentieth Century, was published last year. King was born in Glasgow and remained proud of his Scottish roots. His family moved to London in 1921 and he attended Highgate school. His father became a director of ICI, and King himself developed an aptitude for science. He studied chemistry at the Royal College of Science, University of London. In October 1929, he went on a postgraduate chemical research fellowship to the University of Munich. Germany was then the world's leading country in scientific research. He returned to Britain in 1931. Back in London, he became a lecturer in physical chemistry at Imperial College, London University. He also became a successful writer of scientific books. He looked set for a distinguished career in chemistry, but with the onset of war, he was recruited to work for the government. His first task was to devise explosives to sabotage German vehicles in the event of an invasion. When Japan entered the war, it became necessary to fight in tropical environments, where a major problem would be malaria-bearing mosquitoes (malaria was often more of a hazard to allied soldiers in the far east than the Japanese.) By then King was assistant director of scientific research at the Ministry of Supply and read an intercepted letter from Geigy, the Swiss company. Geigy was patenting the mothballing properties of what King soon labelled DDT - and he realised its significance as an insecticide. With the US entry into the war, the government transferred King to Washington DC to help coordinate Anglo-American military research. He continued in this field after the war; science had been an important factor in winning the war, and so it was necessary to mobilise it for peace. He became a pioneer in the employment of science for the betterment of humankind. The application of science to business created some interesting results. The British used to think that they knew best how to operate factories, but a post-war scientific study showed that the productivity of US firms was often better than that of British ones. Scientists were needed to help British factories become more productive. King was part of that process, not least as chief scientist at the department of scientific and industrial research (1950-56). He was also involved in what is now called management training and education. In 1956 he became director of the European Productivity Agency in Paris. In 1960 he became director-general of education and science at the Paris-based Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development. He retired in 1974, received a CBE in 1948 and CMG in 1975. Nearing the time of his formal retirement, he began another hectic career, which lasted for the rest of his life. With the 1972 publication of Limits to Growth, he helped create an organisation to explore how the world would need to change to fit in with the book's analysis. This was the international thinktank the Club of Rome. King was intrigued by the way a small group of people had created the first industrial revolution in the 18th century. They met together informally each month in the north of England to discuss their industrial projects. He envisaged that a small informal group of people from a variety of backgrounds (never more than 100 in total) would discuss reconciling economic growth and environmental protection. It was called the Club of Rome simply because the co-founder Aurelio Peccei was an Italian businessman with offices in Rome. Well into his 70s and 80s, King travelled extensively, meeting political leaders and environmental activists to discuss how best to create what is now known as sustainable development. He was the club's president from 1984 to 1990. King married Sarah Thompson, who died in 1999, in 1933. He is survived by two daughters, a third having died in a climbing accident in the Alps. • Alexander King, scientist, civil servant and environmentalist, born January 26 1909; died February 28 2007 https://www.theguardian.com/science/2007......ituaries We will repeat this bit for the hard of thinking “Limits to Growth (now in its third edition) touched a raw nerve in the body politic. Its warnings resonated with the fears of others that there was an emerging environmental crisis. The United Nations Environment Programme was established a few months after it appeared. The word "environment" does not even appear in the 1945 UN Charter, and King helped expand the UN's role into environmental protection.” Rockefeller & Co then first puts together the United Nations and then puts together the Club of Rome and through it expands the UN's role into environmental protection.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On Jun 8, 2017, NYCTwister wrote: Your "flock together" analogy makes the opposite case than the one you seem to want to support. Democrats are more monolithic than Republicans on the issues you've specified in this post, and on many others.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
And it is funny to say Republicans are more effective politically. They are political inept. Even in control of most of the levers of power they can't get stuff done.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
Settle down Danny.
http://news.mit.edu/2015/rain-drops-attr......air-0828 "As a raindrop falls through the atmosphere, it can attract tens to hundreds of tiny aerosol particles to its surface before hitting the ground. The process by which droplets and aerosols attract is coagulation, a natural phenomenon that can act to clear the air of pollutants like soot, sulfates, and organic particles." |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Fantastic. It goes into the oceans quicker and the water table and ground. Sounds like a plan to me.
Pollution does not disappear when it rains no matter what the air smells like.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Did you read the whole article?
"Cziczo’s group is not the first to simulate the interaction of rain and aerosols in the lab. Over the past decade, others have built intricate chambers to track coagulation. But the MIT researchers found these events were very rare, and extremely difficult to pick out. Scientists had known that a droplet’s electric charge plays a big role in attracting particles, so Cziczo and his colleagues began to alter the charges of droplets and particles to force coagulation to occur. “This is where we really started getting ourselves in trouble as scientists,” Cziczo says of the field. “To actually get the process to work, people were tuning it into a range that was not atmospherically relevant.” As a result, researchers were seeing many more coagulation events. However, the results were based on electric charges that were much higher than what had been observed in the atmosphere. “In some cases, we were seeing people using 10 or 100 times the charge, which maybe you’d only see in the middle of the most severe thunderstorm ever,” Cziczo says. The experiments, Cziczo says, essentially overestimated rain’s cleansing effects." Don't misunderstand me here. I am not saying climate change is a catastrophe or anything of the sort. I am saying expecting the rain to clean up our mess is idiotic on it's face is all. It has to go SOMEWHERE and that place ultimately is not good. I also don't think pulling out of a largely symbolic agreement is going to hurt things in one way or the other. I think much of what is done in the name of climate change is largely ideological in nature anyhow and would result in little to no difference in the earth.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
Well, to be fair, I don't think anyone said that rain would clean up our mess. It seems like they were simply saying, "After it rains, the air smells fresher."
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
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On Jun 8, 2017, LobowolfXXX wrote: I disagree. YMMV.
If you need fear to enforce your beliefs, then your beliefs are worthless.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
It's pretty well documented. There are more pro-choice Democrats than pro-life Republicans. There are more Republicans in favor of gay marriage than Democrats opposed to it. Go out of lockstep with the Democratic party on one position and you go from VP candidate to targeted in the primary for your senate seat overnight (Mr. Lieberman).
So who's really "flocking together"?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
The Rockefellers.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Jun 8, 2017, LobowolfXXX wrote: Not THOSE facts.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Some might say Mr. Sanders is an even more perfect example of that.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
They rigged am election against him.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
The Napoleonic Approach to Climate Change in Paris
http://scholarlycommons.law.wlu.edu/cgi/......ext=jece
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On Jun 10, 2017, tommy wrote: Do you make this reference with approval or disapproval? What point are you trying to make?
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
You climate hysterics are so short tempered.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Eh?
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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