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johndamen New user 63 Posts |
I can appreciate this type of product but just don't see the need for it. And $40 for a n*n-w*****g pen is outrageous.Its sooo easy to do a s****h for this type of effect with even beginner level routining. Just my two cents.
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
Good idea gassaox , I like the idea however of the T shirt but prefer the envelope and prediction out at the start and the off beat off them signing it while they still hold it taking all heat off the pen and a guarantee of no multiple outs regards Tarik 😊
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
True John but it's a great feeling when the spectator does the dirty for you and it's impossible to back track imho . Plus no refills are necessary so that is a double whammy Tarik 😊
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rowland Inner circle 1524 Posts |
Thanks Tarik, I can think of lots of use for this so I will probably get one.
Have you actually seen one yet ? |
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The Duster Inner circle 1693 Posts |
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On Jun 15, 2017, johndamen wrote: If you are using it professionally... £40 for a cleaner way to do it - is worth it Ok put a s**** in and the audeince may see the effect as the same [?] But you have less to worry about - and you know it's cleaner Also - according to the video you get THREE gimmicks - so no need to buy two copies, unless you are very absent minded |
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tmoca Inner circle 1113 Posts |
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On Jun 15, 2017, The Duster wrote: I must have missed that. Which video actually says that there are 3 gimmicks included? And I wonder if they are referring to three gimmicks of the same type or three different pieces of one gimmick. Being that I think I know what it may be, I would assume it's just 3 gimmicks in case you misplace one. |
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The Duster Inner circle 1693 Posts |
It's the Q&A [review] one from Vanishing Inc
it's only 2 mins long But it says you don't need to refill [just buy a new sharpie] - and you get 3 gimmicks - so covered if you lose one [or two] watch from 2:28 seconds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zKzpuhmmK4 |
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ManchurianMan83 Veteran user United Kingdom 305 Posts |
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On Jun 15, 2017, johndamen wrote: The same can be said for most things, however. For example, a Blizzard effect that uses a d**k sw****h. A spectator picks a card from a deck of 52 cards, holds onto it, while you pocket the deck. Create some time misdirection. S*****h o*t the deck and have them open the box and remove the cards to see every other card they could have picked is blank. I've done that sort of thing. It definitely works! However, if a deck comes out tomorrow that does that for you by simply placing the cards away, you can be guaranteed I'm getting it! The difference between cards changing while a spectator holds them, and cards that change in your pocket is miles apart. Same effect? sure. Same Reaction? maybe verbally. But unlike the d**k sw***h version, they can't think 'maybe he sw***ed them in his pocket'. Now the Pen IS admittedly a little different in that 'no magic' has taken place. They shouldn't even really suspect the pen is n** wr******g. But again, if any part of them is questioning whether what they drew is truly what you've shown them (this was actually a concern by a fellow forum member a few posts back on this very thread) then the fact that the pen never leaves their hands yet they write their signature, name or whatever with the same pen (no leaving their sight or possession to execute a sw****h) immediately evaporates any doubts your spectator may have. Is it overkill? possibly, but you're paying for a cleaner way of doing that style of routine. Funnily enough, this pen is a fantastic solution to an effect I've been working on where until now I'd hit a sort of roadblock (I work around it using other methods but this pen is pretty much what I've been looking for for the perfect method lol). That trick doesn't even involve the type of routine seen so far with all the trailers. (spectator marks something face down) For me, and I'm sure many others, I can see plenty of uses for this type of device that go even further than the sorts of routines suggested by the trailers. |
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tmoca Inner circle 1113 Posts |
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On Jun 15, 2017, The Duster wrote: Thank you! |
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sjrw Special user 571 Posts |
A few years ago some of my magician friends set a challenge:
- The spectator is given 5 blank business cards and the draw the ESP symbols on one side and mix them up. - Then the magician draws ESP symbols on the other side and they match. There were some great and unusual solutions. My solution was to give the spectator a non writing pen, and to draw the ESP symbols on the cards under the table. He brought them out and then I drew on the back after switching the pen. In the demos I find signing the back of the card or the envelope to be a bit pointless and out of place, especially occurring after they've made their secret mark and just before the reveal (its not hard to imagine that you switched it after they drew the cross but before they signed the envelope). It occurs to me that it might be better to use the pen again as part of the trick - in a way which makes logical sense. I'm thinking that for the above idea I could ask them to bring out the cards and mix them around on the table, and then I point to any card and say "draw a cross on that one" and repeat for the rest. So I seemingly never touch ANYTHING after handing them the "blank" cards and they do all the work. And using the same pen they have drawn on both sides. I wouldn't want to rely on this, or even hope for this but there is a chance they (or other spectators) might later misremember the trick and forget that I told them where to draw on the backs. The card trick in the demo is a good example of where the second use of the pen actually makes sense for the routine. I just really dislike the use of the pen to sign the envelope at the wrong moment. It might be better if they could sign the envelope at the start and then the pen became a nonwriting pen. |
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ManchurianMan83 Veteran user United Kingdom 305 Posts |
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On Jun 15, 2017, sjrw wrote: I think the demo's may be predominantly for magicians/mentalists. It was the signing of the envelope that actually won me over to the product...not because of the signing itself..but because I instantly knew what it was! Because as a magician, I am already aware of n** w*******g pens. While I agree that there are better ways of using this pen (examples like your ESP routine) beyond merely signing an envelope, I disagree that they will consider writing their signature being a 's*****h'. Laymen don't critique things the same way we do. |
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ManchurianMan83 Veteran user United Kingdom 305 Posts |
There is another aspect to this product which is equally as nice as the 'convincer' that nobody has really acknowledged yet.
Admittedly because it's not THAT big of a deal but still worth considering too. This gimmick doesn't just allow for a convincing version of the whole 'w*****g/n** w*****g' pen style effect, but it also completely eliminates the need to actually construct such a thing as a 'n** w******g pen'. No longer do you need to wait days to d*y o*t a sharpie...that somehow still leaves a mark. (it's happened) No longer do you need to coat the n*b in varnish or anything of that sort. I've rarely used the principle because I've never been bothered to actually go through the hassle of making one. With this, it just takes any normal sharpie and within seconds makes it 'n** w******g' pen... plus also not permanently ruining it to do so. The elimination of construction is also worthy of note, besides the 'selling point' of the convincer. I know construction isn't difficult but this removes all of that, which is nice! |
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Martin Adams Elite user 455 Posts |
Mental Pen In-Depth Review
I had a chance to play with Mental Pen int he past few days and perform it a few times. Many question was asked iin this topic so I thought I will help you out. So let’s begin. What is the mental pen? I’m pretty sure that most of you know the ages old mentalism plot of the n** w*****g pen. We all know that it allow us to do crazy impossible predictions and forces of words, places numbers, objects whatever we want. BUT the plot suffering from a serious weakness that we all know. Mental pen is an insanely good solution to that problem. I always loved the plot cause it’s insane possibiities but never used it. that willl change wiith the Mental Pen for sure! ::WHAT YOU GET:: Mental Pen comes in a nice box and inside the box you get a sharpie and all he gimmicks and of course the card that have the password for the product. You get 3 gimmicks so if you accidently lose your gimmick you don't have to buy the product again you have 2 other backups which is really nice. ::THE EXPLANATION:: The instructional online video is 43 minutes long and joao teaches every nuance of how to use the pen. No stones left unturned. He teaches 5 routines wiiith the pen but when you watch these routines you already gonna have tons of ideas Im pretty sure about that. So overall the teaching is crystal clear. :: REFILL:: Many of you asked about refills so let’s make it clear. You can use ANY Sharpie and you get 3 gimmicks with the product so technically you don't need refills at all unless you lost all 3 gimmicks which should not happen. Overall that means you don't need to buy the product again if you not lose your gimmicks. ::HANDLING:: The handling of mental pen is close to none… it not require any sleight of hand or practice. I beginner or a hobbyist gonna be able to perform it riight after he watched the video. I think the only time that you might need to put into this is figure out what are you want to use it for IF you don't want to use the routines that comes with it. One thing is for sure there are tons of room here for creativity. ::THE BONUS:: Almost every routine that you see in the video using some prop like the printed vodoo doll cards or the maps etc. Very nice addition that you get all of it as a printable pdf so if you want to use any of the routiines you don't need to make these props for yourself. Only thing you need iis a printer and you ready to go. ::WHAT I USE IT FOR:: So far I tried the newspaper routine needless to say iit went very well its a very strong routine. For obvious reasons I wont carry a newspaper with myself all the time but I came up with a routine that I tried 3 times and so far I really like it. Based on the voodoo doll routine I created a routine feel free to try it out if you like it. I use business cards that have a dart board printed on it. I show them an empty dart board and ask them to draw 3 dots face down. I triied it with 3 people each one drawing a dot and I really like that option instead of doing it with only 1 person don’t get me wrong the effects is reallly strong with one spectator too but I like to involve as many people as possible when I perform. They sign my prediction etc but Im in an option where I can reveal an exact same drops and on the other side of my prediction I can reveal the total. So on a price of one I get 2 hits and they go crazy. I got really good reactions with this. With a simple sentence I can avoid that they try to hit the bulllseye so that’s not an issue II just ask them to try to make it as random as possible since if everybody go for the bullseye they just make the whole thing easy for me so I ask them to try to catch me out. ::OVERALL:: I think mental pen gonna make this plot really popular again since all the weakness of it is got ride of. I will definetly use it and I cannot recommend this enough. If you like the potential of it don’t even think about it. Simply buy it you wont regret it, I’m 100% sure about that. ::RATINGS:: I can recommend it to any beginner or hobbyist it’s very easy to perform. On a scale of 1-10 where 10 is the hardest its a solid: 1/10 As a product its a utility tool that can be used for countless things in countless ways, it's perfect for any environment and will deliver great reactions. Without a doubt I can easly give a 10/10 for Mental Pen it does exactly what advertised, props are really good quality and the effects that possible with it are reallly really strong. That was my review of the Mental Pen I hope your questions are answered and I hope you enjoyed it. Have a nice weekend folks! Mental Pen ships on Monday and available at: https://www.mystiquefactory.com/products......o-sereno Best, Martin |
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Ricardo_ltd New user 99 Posts |
Hi, thank you for your review. I have a few questions:
Does the sharpie with the gimmick look normal or is the gimmick noticeable with a closer inspection? Because this is plastic, doesn't this get loose with time, from inserting and removing the gimmick? If a spectator doesn't cap the sharpie with enough strengh, is there a chance that the gimmick system won't work? Or is it 100% reliable, despite the way the spectator caps the sharpie? Thanks |
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samdan Special user 519 Posts |
Thanks for the great review Martin.
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
This could work well if you first converted a regular Sharpie to a dry erase one. If you wanted to perform something like Little Door first then you would be all set to go with this.
The dry erase wouldn't wipe off of most surfaces so it shouldn't be an issue. Anyway, just a thought as I'm always looking for items to perform multiple duties in order eliminate one less little thing to cram in my pockets, even if it takes up as little space as an additional Sharpie would. |
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warren Inner circle uk 4138 Posts |
I haven't got this yet but it looks great, it always makes me laugh when people immediately start to speculate about the method in an open forum at the end of the day if you like the effect and think you'll use it that should be one of the main considerations.
In magic you pay for the secret its not given away on an open forum, with all the exposure on youtube now by people who think it's clever to expose our methods it's no wonder the price of magic has gone up....personally I think the higher price helps keep it out of the hands of at least some of these people with no ethics |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
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On Jun 18, 2017, warren wrote: This is the speculation forum Warren first and foremost . Secondly if you email the creator he will tell you the method so you can make an informed decision . You wouldn't buy anything else in the world and see what turns up and suck it and see . If you perform magic as a job you have every right to know whether it suits your needs before buying and if you think any creator in the world won't tell you the secret you are way out of touch every creator I buy from tells me the exact method if I don't already know it pure and simple and you are naive to put it mildly if you think any different . Regards Tarik 😊 |
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
I do think the speculation with regards to method is way OTT here, because sometimes, when people take a swing at how its done, they end up either giving too much away, or get it completely wrong but inadvertently reveal another (already published) trick...
plus, we could just make your post about emailing the creator a sticky post here and be done with it...
I've asked to be banned
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rowland Inner circle 1524 Posts |
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On Jun 18, 2017, warren wrote: It's one thing to speculate and totally different to actually expose a trick. As far as I am aware it is within the rules of thus forum and more specifically the latest and greatest to speculate on a method. I don't think it's necessarily people trying to be clever, most magicians on seeing a trick will naturally try to work out a method for it. There is nothing wrong in that. |
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