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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Nature never lies and tells us what is right and what is wrong; anything that goes against nature does no operate efficiently. No good comes from deviance. No, we do not believe you, we trust in God.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
That's what they all say.
But when you're not where you are/were or not who you are/were - there's a continuity problem. Not a paradox so much as a presumption that some other narrator is still telling a related story and that ... blink theory.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
If Earth vanishes, then we will just have to use blank maps. Well, unless naves still work.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Jun 17, 2017, tommy wrote: Our entire modern existence is built on "deviating" from nature. Modern medical interventions give us longer and healthier lives than what we would have if we just let nature take it's course. We defied gravity and put men on the Moon and satellites in space. Those satellites enable GPS, mass communication, weather forecasting, etc. I'd say much good comes from deviating from nature. In fact, I'll go further and say that "Mother Nature" is doing it's best to harm us! We're in a constant battle with nature. Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
No! Our entire modern existence is not built on "deviating" from nature. i.e. The fastest airplanes etcetera, are shaped by the wind; http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20150121......d-tunnel
There are many in the modern world that think that man is the be and end all; they are commonly known the Super Man cult, they are right brain deficient. Then there are many in the modern world of the opposite kind; the nothing is real cult; sometimes called the new agers.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2885 Posts |
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On Jun 17, 2017, landmark wrote: I believe that it is true for you. West Side Story is one of those things I lump in with The Music Man and Oklahoma as musicals I'd rather not watch. That's true for me.
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Lnadmark conflates "true of me" with "true for me".
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Jun 18, 2017, tommy wrote: Airplanes are not "shaped by the wind". They are cleverly designed in a way that redirects/utilizes airflow over the wings in order to maximize lift. Meanwhile, mother nature is hard at work trying to bring that plane down through the force of gravity! And what about modern medical interventions? Are you willing to forego medical treatment the next time you get seriously sick or injured? After all, didn't nature intend for you to get sick? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On Jun 17, 2017, landmark wrote: Magnus has an interesting take on this as well, with the "of/for" distinction. But I would say this: First, I don't believe you. If someone from another planet arrived on earth and convinced you that he/she had the ability to get rid of West Side Story...from your mind, the songs, the story, everything - and was about to do so - ...I don't think you'd kill yourself. I think you'd find enough in other music, family, baseball, literature, magic to somehow keep going. But that's neither here nor there. Let's say it's true. This response is rooted in Smullyan, who in one (well, probably several) of his books talks about the law of non-contradiction. That is, "A" and "not A" cannot both be true simultaneously. Yet, if you say, "I live in New York," and I respond with "I do not live in New York," we have an apparent violation. But Smullyan points out that the violation is, indeed, only apparent; because the referent in the word "I" has changed. This is similar to the situation I think we have with your example. When you say, "Life would not be worth living without West Side Story," then I would suggest that what you're really saying is "My life would not be living without West Side Story." If I were to disagree, with respect to MY life, we would not have a "thing" that is true for you but not for me; we would have two separate things, that for the sake of convenience and organization would be linguistically identical. If, on the other hand, you were to insist that what you meant was "NOBODY'S life would be worth living without West Side Story," and I disagreed, then one of us (you) would simply be wrong. It wouldn't be "true" for you, in the same way it's not "true" for the PCP user to believe that he or she can fly. You would simply mistakenly believe it to be true.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Meh. You say your life would be worth living, but...You call that living?
Most truths are affected by local conditions. The PCP guy doesn't have to worry while he's on the moon. When we say "it's true for me, not you, etc." that is a short-hand way of saying that the other hasn't totally considered the local conditions.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
In my experience, it's usually a short-hand way of incorrectly ascribing validity to mistaken beliefs.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
That's true for you, not for me.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
It is funny to watch this nonsense.
Did it get decided if things are only true if humans can observe them? Can't way till someone brings up the psueo intellectual idea that we are just part of a larger beings dream.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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Did it get decided if things are only true if humans can observe them? Not sure that anyone here has actually taken that position.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Non-sense literally means things the senses cannot detect. While one cannot watch nonsense directly, one can go along with the idea for our amusement and or conclude things of the spiritual realm exist etcetera. It is what love about our magic is that it not merely rationally impossible and amazing but also absurd. I love the idea of things of the spiritual realm existing even though it can't prove rationally. It makes me smile to myself that I am convinced that such supernatural forces exist and would do so even if Earth vanished. I think people who do not are mean spirited.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
What other creature would hold our truths if we go away?
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
All of them, depending on what mean by "our truths". The fasted way to know the truth is to look to nature.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On Jun 18, 2017, landmark wrote: My statement as worded is unequivocally true. Without e preamble "In my experience," it's either true or false. Not both, and not neither.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On Jun 18, 2017, Jonathan Townsend wrote: Truths don't need to be held to be truths.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On Jun 18, 2017, LobowolfXXX wrote: Again, "in my experience" is an admission that truth is subject to local conditions. That's what a person means when they say it's true for me.
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