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Rhu
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I sent a PM to Patrick Redford about a week ago, but he has yet to read it..I couldn't find a PM address for George (Tait?).. I realize he's a supremely busy individual and I don't want to press the issue so I thought I would ask here in case anybody else could help me out in the mean time. Thankyou, I'll give the Memory Arts book a look and I just realised that Vanishing also have TOoO in stock..If you've read it would you say it was worth $95US to a beginner? (I'm including the postage - it's on sale for $59)
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It is a great book. However, you should check out the performances of some of his routines on youtube to see if it's something you see yourself doing. $95 bucks is a lot of money for a book that just sits on your shelf.
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Thankyou that's great advice...I've had a look and I do really like the Temporarily out of order routine...it's beautiful.

However, I am really pretty new to magic..I only started looking at it about 8 months ago (maybe even a little less) and "Mentalism" or the more "mental" effects never really appealed to me. Obviously to be able to perform that routine as beautifully as Patrick does is appealing.

My reasoning for wanting to learn a stack stems from the fact that I have discovered that I get really bad stage fright.. I never really considered that I would, I've done my share of public speaking and not been overly affected other than the normal nerves associated with such a thing, but put a deck of cards in my hands and ask me to perform a double lift in front of people and suddenly my heart is racing, I'm shaking and the sweat is dripping off me fingers...So I figured I would look for some "self-workers" to try and get over the stage fright (which weirdly gets worse the fewer people there are, and mainly just with sleights) whilst practicing and practicing and practicing the sleight of hand so that I have a reasonable level of competence when the shakes and the sweating are a thing of the past.

I started playing with Si Stebbins stuff, some Lennart Green (Red/Black index for sure!), Ben Earles Red Herring..things like that and am getting reasonable reactions, for me the logical next step is a stack. Research led me to the Redford stack and the (relative) ease with which it can be moved between Stebbins, red/black etc. compared to others and I felt it would complement the level at which I find myself currently and allow (obviously) for far more complex effects as I go forward. Buuuuutttt, and this may just be a matter of presentation, I don't really see myself having the persona of "Mentalist". What constitutes a Mentalist, presentation techniques and how I develop going forward are obviously not topics for here. However, this is the reason why I find myself shy of spending $95 on the book before I'm sure of what I want. I feel learning the Redford stack though gives me options without having to learn two (or more) stacks.

Anyway, I think I'll think more about getting the physical book. The Memory Arts Redford edition may be the ideal compromise for now, even if it means I end up spending $120US in total at least I'll be sure it's for something I really want. If anyone wants to stick their two penn'orth (cents) in it'll be gratefully heard.

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On Sep 29, 2018, Rhu wrote:
I sent a PM to Patrick Redford about a week ago, but he has yet to read it..I couldn't find a PM address for George (Tait?).. I realize he's a supremely busy individual and I don't want to press the issue so I thought I would ask here in case anybody else could help me out in the mean time. Thankyou, I'll give the Memory Arts book a look and I just realised that Vanishing also have TOoO in stock..If you've read it would you say it was worth $95US to a beginner? (I'm including the postage - it's on sale for $59)


Hi

His latest penguin live lecture was devoted entirely to his stack
You can start from there without purchasing the book
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Thankyou, that's amazing....I'll be starting there for sure.
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My biggest problem with Redford's book, Temporarily Out of Order was the large number of typos and misspellings throughout the text making it difficult to read (he spelled Erdnase "Erdanse" not once but twice on the same page) as well as many other errors including crediting Hugard with Nikola's work in the effect, "A Subtle Game." A professional editor was definitely needed in this case and I'm offering this criticism in hopes that if the book is reprinted someone could have a look and correct the text.
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My biggest problem with Redford's book, Temporarily Out of Order was the large number of typos and misspellings throughout the text making it difficult to read (he spelled Erdnase "Erdanse" not once but twice on the same page) as well as many other errors including crediting Hugard with Nikola's work in the effect, "A Subtle Game." A professional editor was definitely needed in this case and I'm offering this criticism in hopes that if the book is reprinted someone could have a look and correct the text.


He also forgot a little thing when describing Bro. Hamman's Chinese Shuffle (won't work as described in the book)and then published a pdf with an errata corrige.

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On Sep 30, 2018, Steve Burton wrote:
My biggest problem with Redford's book, Temporarily Out of Order was the large number of typos and misspellings throughout the text making it difficult to read (he spelled Erdnase "Erdanse" not once but twice on the same page) as well as many other errors including crediting Hugard with Nikola's work in the effect, "A Subtle Game." A professional editor was definitely needed in this case and I'm offering this criticism in hopes that if the book is reprinted someone could have a look and correct the text.


Sadly when putting a book together like this one these things do happen. While several people did edit the book and magicians of the trade also had eyes on it before it went to print, we did have some thing slip through. We do have a revised edition that has been being worked on for some time that we hope to have ready soon. I know there are many people who are looking to add this book to their library since the initial run of 1000 sold out. I wish I had a timeline for when it will be ready but at the moment I don't.

The criticism is much appreciated.

-PGR
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Patrick is a clever devil, but so far the number one reason I tend to stick with Mnemonica is the fact that there are marked decks stacked already (you unwrap the deck, do a false shuffle and you are all set) and marked using mnemonica positions, which is a definitive plus.
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