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paul180
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Patrick Kuff's Danger Monty. I've always liked the organic look of the props and how innocent and fair it all seems.
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Kuff's routine is Scott Alexander's Shattered repackaged and sold as his own.
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Didn't know that Samuel. Did he get permission from Scott or no?
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No, he did not.

Oddly enough though, it was his dvd that served as my inspiration. In my research for my own Pincushion I learned the truth of the origins of the routine came from Scott's brain and not Patrick's.
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That's good to know. Thank you. Would you be willing to talk shop about the effect in PM?
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I'll go with Scott Alexander's Shattered.

The props are more visible on stage...much more so than a nail or spike.... so it plays bigger, in my opinion. 100% safe, and there are some "convincers" built into the routine that really do a great job of selling it.

I did this as my second-to-closing trick for a show I did this past Thursday night for 125 McDonald's owners and managers, and the tension and expression on their faces as I progressed through the routine was very, very impressive. Add to that the "Oh My God's" and "I can't believe this" from the audience along with a ROUSING round of applause at the final reveal made this one a "keeper".

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I see in the Café post about using soda so I now buy turn table and Paul Harris DVD. I think it can be very funny and safe. I will ware a rain poncho and goggles when I do.
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On Jul 8, 2017, WitchDocChris wrote:
Scott Alexander's Nailed It! is 100% safe. The Pain Game (Sorry, name of the creator slips my mind) is 99% safe.

And if you replace a spike with something that has no potential for injury, they are all 100% safe. An egg, for example.


If it is 99% safe that means if you perform it 100 times, one if those times will result in an injury
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On Jul 8, 2017, WitchDocChris wrote:
No need to ask the same question all over the forums. As I said in your other thread - go to the store and look around. You'll find what you need.

Scott Alexander's Nailed It! is 100% safe. The Pain Game (Sorry, name of the creator slips my mind) is 99% safe.

And if you replace a spike with something that has no potential for injury, they are all 100% safe. An egg, for example.


If it is 99% safe that means if you perform it 100 times, one if those times will result in an injury



Here's what I can tell you about The Pain Game, provided you aren't completely foolish and use it improperly, the method is completely safe. There's literally a less than 1% chance it can go wrong. less than 1%. Using the gimmicks I created back in 2002, the chances are even less and I would call astronomical (like 1 in 1,000,000), but Jon's version has a little bit more chance of something to happen if you do something stupid so the chances of getting hurt are maybe 1 in 300,000. It's safe. It's a LOT safer than Smash and Stab and other versions that are out there. But like you said, if you replace the spike with something non-dangerous like an egg, then you are guaranteed safe from everything but salmonella. LOL
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Hi everyone... Mine's called Slamdown. On my promo video, at www.jimmyfingers.com and at www.jimmyfingers.com/products

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Ack! I keep calling is Smashdown. Sorry about that. Anyway, it's an excellent routine, inexpensive and easy. I especially like that it's flexible. You can use any object under the cups you like.
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On one of Derren Brown's DVD he uses an audience member. Preceding the effect he shows videos of performers SPIKED; Ouch!!!
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The phrase "there is less than 1% chance it can go wrong" makes me nervous to perform 100 times.
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On Dec 4, 2017, Lancy wrote:
The phrase "there is less than 1% chance it can go wrong" makes me nervous to perform 100 times.


That line is usually added because you can never account for stupidity. My Pincushion routine is safe. When I perform it I give it a 100% safe stamp, but that is because I control every aspect that would possibly make it unsafe. I cannot control how others perform it, therefore I cannot positively guarantee that someone else will not do something incredibly stupid. Given that I would not call it 100% safe, but would say instead that there is a less than 1% chance of anything going wrong if I were to put it into the market. A finger chopper is safe as well, but what if you don't perform it properly? A solidly made one COULD result in injury. The same can be said about the guillotine style Head Choppers too.

I understand your nervousness, and that nervousness is a healthy thing believe it or not, but most times it is not a failing of the method that results in injuries, but a failing of the performer. One last thing, no performer worth anything would ever endanger an audience member not even when they are not actually in danger.
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I think Scott Alexander has an updated version Shattered called Nailed It. It was performed and not explain at one of the penguin Christmas lectures. It is 100% safe as well.
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