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On Sep 24, 2017, ausfly wrote:
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On Sep 19, 2017, WitchDocChris wrote:
Am I correct in thinking the performer has to mix one of them? Or could I have two volunteers mix a cube each?


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On Sep 19, 2017, videoman wrote:
Yes, the performer has to mix one of the cubes.


I watched the preview clip on Penguin Magic and thought to go to be true.
http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/9037
After checking the Café I went back and watched it again.
Sure enough around 45-50 seconds into the clip, JB Dumas states

"Two spectators can each mix up a cube, no matter what they do, they will always end up matching perfectly."

Clarification would be appreciated please.


You can hand out "both" cube, one after the other, to the spectators so they can mix them.

Everything is taught in the video.
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The plot is simple for the cube match, but the process seems unstraightforward, given the cuts and edits in the video. So with regards to the cube match effect, what actually happens ? You show 2 cubes ? You mix both ? Then you invite a spectator to mix 1 cube. Then if he wants he can mix the other one you say. But only after he has handed the first one back to you and you do the move. The move though innocent is enough for anyone to assume you are giving them back the same cube that they mixed in the first place. That drastically reduces the impact, wouldnt it ?
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I agree that the move as taught is not very convincing. I think it's better to just hand them a cube to mix and as they're doing that you take out another cube and mix it.
I also think it's a better plot if your cube now matches theirs rather than 2 cubes that they apparently mixed somehow now match by coincidence.

Having the spectator mix both cubes is unnecessary and IIRC is only taught as an additional and optional alternative handling and not the primary way the routine is performed.
I don't think people should get too hung up on the aspect of having a spec mix both cubes as that isn't really what the prop was designed to accomplish.
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Some reviews are in on Penguin now and they are surprisingly (to me anyway) not so hot - to the point I'm considering Rubik's Dream instead. The Penguin reviews say it takes WAY more skill and practice than advertised, and that many cubes (which you have to buy separately) don't fit well. I realize it's a subjective personal opinion, but for those of you who have it, are these criticisms reasonable - and does Rubik's Dream address them better?
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Rubik's Dream is more versatile and does include the regular cubes and even a mini cube and gimmick as well, which has more uses than you might think at first.
However, one thing Rubik's Dream can't do is the one thing Perfect Square was designed to do, and that is to match a cube freely mixed by a spectator.
Now Rubik's Dream can do versions somewhat similar but not as clean and open. That's really not what RD was intended for, but overall it probably gives the best bang for the buck.

PS will definitely take a fair amount of work and practice, especially if you have no prior cube experience. So no, you won't be performing this right away. And with any cube effect it's advantageous (though not necessary) to learn to legitimately solve a cube quickly.

If you wish to do the cube matching effect then you may want to consider Rubicon as well.
Honestly, after owning all 3 effects, I think Rubicon is the best for that effect. However it is significantly more expensive than the other 2.
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Dear Videoman,
If one wants to only do the CUBE MATCH effect, does one still need to know how to solve a cube or is the solving needed only for reset ? The kind of work I do allows me large amounts of time to reset, like even a day before I get to perform it again. And is the handling tricky and difficult if I'm keen only on the MATCH phase. Or would RUBICON still be a better bet ?
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You only need to solve the cube if you mess up the one that matches the gaff. Even then you could simply use a cube solving app. I personally prefer this to Rubicon for the following reasons:

Gaff can be viewed very close
Move is far more deceptive and less likely to go tits up
Gaff can be configured to fit your needs.

The move takes a little practice but it is not hard although it could be taught a little better.

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Mark, I'm more keen on the cube match only. Will this fit any of the standard cubes I get locally or do I have to tailor the gaff, because cutting plastic etc to match your own cube etc is easily said on paper but in real life it wont work out that way and would make the gaff look ugly/obvious to the spectators.
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Plainman007, it's always advantageous to know how to solve the cube. Not as much after you have mastered the routine, but during the learning and practicing process I guarantee you will make a wrong move and mess things up. So if you can solve it fairly quickly that is the easiest route.
But having said that you can use an app or I actually found it quicker to just pop it apart and reassemble it. So being able to solve it can avoid some frustrations and will make your life easier but it certainly is not a necessity. However, I would recommend having several extra cubes on hand when practicing so you can carry on immediately.

As far as finding cubes locally I cannot say since I have no idea where in the world you are located. However, in my experience pretty much every cube I own (about 16 or so and all purchased off the internet) fits the gimmick either very well or perfectly. So I can't imagine it would be difficult for you to find an appropriate cube.

I seem to recall that on the video they suggest getting a genuine Rubik's brand cube. Those will work but I would suggest getting a couple good speed cubes. None of the 4 genuine Rubik's cubes I own turn easily enough for my liking, especially if you wish to do a one-handed solve. Also, not turning easily will not only add to your frustration of learning but it also tends to make mistakes happen more often. Treat yourself to as many good cubes as you can reasonably afford. They're not that expensive and it will definitely make your life easier.
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Videoman,
So the cube solve is mainly used to reset between shows. Let me be frank I have solved a cube but by looking at the one page chart with the solve algorithm. I just never could memorize the entire LR RR LR thing. So can I reset between shows looking at the move chart as I usually do (yes I admit its low down, but) or will I need to do a solve while performing. Im also acquainted with false shuffles and can pull off the simple ones. But will this solve ability be called into during performance or post/pre performance only.
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There is no solve required for reset or performance.
One cube remains permanently mixed, the other is reset into your favorite stack and then apparently solved.
A solve is ONLY necessary when something gets messed up by accident, but if you can already solve using a cheat sheet then you shouldn't have any problems should that occur.

So let me restate again to be clear, as long as the one cube is not put out of order you will NEVER have to perform a legitimate solve.
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As far as I can tell there are two standard cube sizes. They give you the size in the video and it's the most common size. I use standard speed cubes and they fit so well that I often struggle to tell which one has the gaff on it.

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One cube remains permanently mixed, the other is reset into your favorite stack and then apparently solved.


What is stacking ? It seems your a pro cuber. How will I understand stacking ? Can you tell me in laymans terms what that means Smile.
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Surely the problem with all of these gimmick versions is that one cube (the shell) remains mixed? People want to see you solve a Rubik's cube, that's what the cube is for, that's what people expect. But you can only solve the legitimate cube in whatever weird "magical" fashion you want which screams gimmick cube. People assume that a genuine Rubik's cube is nearly impossible to solve. Everyone knows you can't just solve it by waving it around with one hand.

I'll admit, I end my show with a Rubik's cube act where one of the matching cubes remains mixed but that's because it's in a glass jar and won't come out. When I used to show 2 normal cubes mixed not in a jar I would end my show with all cubes solved. I started the routine with solved cubes and ended it with solved cubes. It's like making something disappear, you've always got to make it reappear. Am I missing the point or something? It seems totally illogical to finish with one mixed and one solved. I have people accusing me of using bluetooth cubes and want to examine everything. With a shell you have to use "spectator management" and only let them inspect half the props.
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I like to end my set with both cubes solved. I do one legit solve and one ‘magic solve’. I use a mixture of cube fx and cube 3 to achieve this.

With this gimmick in a close up setting or table setting - would I be able to ditch the gimmick easily and then procede with a real solve using the spectator mixed cube?
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Could I do this with perfect square? Perform cube cards by Kev G, phase 1 - show solved cube, phase 2 - have card selected, phase 3 - match cube to card, phase 4 - solve cube, hand out this cube for mixing by spectator, reach into bag and pull out other cube for perfect square?
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