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cajuninms
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Posted: Apr 9, 2004 11:43pm
For making your own IT should I get wooly nylon or kevlar? I heard that kevlar is better, but just to be sure.
thx all
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Close.Up.Dave
Inner circle
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Posted: Apr 9, 2004 11:45pm
I haven't bought or used thread in a while but Kevlar thread was the strongest I ever got.
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Jaxon
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Kalamazoo, Mi.
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Posted: Apr 12, 2004 2:08am
It all depends on what effects you're doing, what objects you are animating and also on your own preference. Kevlar is a great thread. Very strong and very invisible. The woolly isn't as strong but it's even more invisible.
Personally, I use the woolly for things like the Fearson's floating cigarette unless I'm doing the effect with a heavier object. Then I'd use the kevlar or Jaxon Thread.
My suggestion would be to pick up some of both. Neither is very expensive. Especially the woolly. Try each thread for whatever effect you're doing and decide which you like best for that effect. In IT work, there's nothing you should trust more then how it feels to you. Use whatever you like best to accomplish the end you desire. After all, the thread is invisible no matter which you use.
Good luck!
Ron Jaxon
After regaining my ability to hear after 20 years of deafness. I learned that there is magic all around you. The simplest sounds that amazed me you probably ignore. Look and listen around you right now. You'll find something you didn't notice before.
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threadz
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Posted: Apr 12, 2004 9:16am
Also you might want to work with some elastic thread such as ultra or miracle thread (black elastic) for like the floating rose or floating handkerchief. Elastic is great to work with but you've got to be more aware of lighting. But it animates things great with a horizontal hook up.
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Sean W. Burke
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Washington D.C.
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Posted: Apr 12, 2004 10:33pm
If you are doing real in-your-face close up magic then I would go with the wolly. But like Jaxon stated, for the heavier objects I would definitely consider the kevlar.
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Christopher
Elite user
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Posted: Apr 12, 2004 11:28pm
Be careful with the kevlar until you check lighting conditions. I have done the floating rose for years and decided to give the kevlar a try. The lighting made the IT stand out incredibly bad on stage. You can see it very clearly on my video of the performance.
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Jaxon
Inner circle
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Posted: Apr 15, 2004 7:39am
I have a small point to make. It's true: the kevlar is a little more visible then the woolly. Not by much really but for its strength it's very invisible.
The point I'd like to bring up is that if you're in a situation where the woolly can't be seen and the Kevlar can, it's probably best not to do any IT work at all in that situation. An exception might be a situation where you have lighting control like on stage. There isn't that much difference between the two. Some but not much. So if the kevlar is visible then you'd be taking a big risk with the woolly. Because there may be one angle that the light is hitting the IT or the lighting could change slightly during a performance. Even something as small as window moving to angle light on the IT where it wasn't before.
I'm just saying that if one doesn't work, It's best to leave IT work alone in that situation.
(Just a point to ponder)
Ron Jaxon
After regaining my ability to hear after 20 years of deafness. I learned that there is magic all around you. The simplest sounds that amazed me you probably ignore. Look and listen around you right now. You'll find something you didn't notice before.
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Dougini
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Posted: Apr 15, 2004 9:17pm
The problem with IT is its tendency to shine. Many ways have been tried to "break it up," so to speak, and each has its own advantages, and disdvantages. I won't elaborate here, but lighting is everything. Not necessarily a darkened room, but lighting that does not directly "shine" on the subject. I've seen Front Of House spots light up thread like NEON...so one has to be careful of conditions.
Believe it or not, the best stage thread is good old black cotton. With the right background, a couple of red and blue gels (strategically placed), and it's gone...Blackstone knew how to handle that stuff...woo.
IT is best when you can cast a shadow over your work area. Turning just right, so your "stuff's in the shade," so to speak.
Anyone agree?
Doug
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Jaxon
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Posted: Apr 17, 2004 11:53am
I agree totally. Especially the comment about the cotton thread. It's not as strong as some threads but it won't shine. More for stage work though.
The way I look at it is this. In close up thread work the lighting is the most important thing because you don't have much control over background other then your clothing. You have to be conscious of the background and choose your location wisely, but you don't have much control. So the general lighting of the entire room has to be right. Or in some cases you can find location in the room that'll work.
On stage the lighting is just as important, but you have more advantage of being able to make use of a background/backdrop. With both lighting and background control you can make any thread invisible. This is why when I see a magician perform a thread effect on stage and you can see the thread it really upsets me. There is no reason that should ever happen. If they can't keep the thread invisible on stage then they either didn't put enough effort into it or they shouldn't do the effect.
Ron Jaxon
After regaining my ability to hear after 20 years of deafness. I learned that there is magic all around you. The simplest sounds that amazed me you probably ignore. Look and listen around you right now. You'll find something you didn't notice before.
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c4rlito
New user
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Posted: Apr 24, 2012 12:23pm
Guys could you expand on what exactly Blackstone said about threads? Im working cruises and rehearsals are taking forever as It takes me an hour to light Floating Rose, (Spec on stage) and Floating Rings. Ive been performing bopth effects for a couple of years now but still struggle..and yes I do kill the spots! any guys with experience here on these specific routines would be great!
All the Best,
Matt
Best Regards,
Matthew McGurk
www.matthewmcgurk.com
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