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kShepher Elite user Washington, DC 470 Posts |
I'm ok with it, but am fishing for any tips to make it sure-fire.
Thanks, Kevin |
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Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts |
What are the specific problems you're having?
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kShepher Elite user Washington, DC 470 Posts |
Flashing. I am working from the Card College instructions. The second card and the return underneath. That combo sometimes results in the flash.
I know the answer - more practice. I agree...although it must be proper practice. Just looking for any tips, or mindframes I am missing. |
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arthur stead Inner circle When I played soccer, I hit 1773 Posts |
I can't think of any specific tips for improvement except to practice, practice, practice.
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Claudio Inner circle Europe 1927 Posts |
Light grip (from both hands) is a key factor.
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
[quote]On Sep 9, 2017, kShepher wrote:
Flashing. I am working from the Card College instructions. The second card and the return underneath. That combo sometimes results in the flash. I know the answer - more practice. I agree...although it must be proper practice. Just looking for any tips, or mindframes I am missing. [/quote It is wise to read many different sources when learning a count or a sleight. Different authors will give different descriptions of the same movements. I had trouble vulling multiple cards until I read Ortiz' description. A different source will often click the light bulb on. |
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SimonCard Special user 601 Posts |
Where is it flashing ?
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Claudio Inner circle Europe 1927 Posts |
I suspect Kevin means the double splits.
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MeetMagicMike Inner circle Gainesville Fl 3501 Posts |
A common mistake people make is using finger movement to do that switch on the second take. There is no finger movement other than the push off. The two pushed off cards are slid between the fingers of the left hand and at the same time the single card in the left is slid between the bottom of the card and the fingers of the right hand.
Those fingers don't move at all in relation to each other. |
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fonda57 Inner circle chicago 3078 Posts |
Don't move the cards too far apart when you do the count. Keep them close together
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atomic111 New user 57 Posts |
Practice with NON - white border cards so you see how far you have to go and aren't fooling yourself. Switch back and forth with the white border cards periodically and enjoy how good it looks.
I personally prefer rotating my right hand in rather than "taking" them with my left. In other words, I like the way it looks when the left hand moves less and the right hand moves more. Most importantly, go extremely slow at first. The count never needs to get too fast anyway. Repeat this 10000 times while you sit on the couch and watch TV. |
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warren Inner circle uk 4138 Posts |
To add to the above another important thing and this applies to all counts and that is to count each and every card at the same speed, far to many performers speed up when executing a move.
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Recoplon Loyal user 262 Posts |
For me, Big Blind Media's "Elmsley Count Project" was very helpful.
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MuesliBelts New user 1 Post |
My first post here!
I've actually been practicing this count a lot lately myself as well. One thing I figured out on my own that was posted earlier in this thread is holding the cards loosely. Relax your whole body when you are practicing your sleights, tension in other parts of your body will translate to your hands. I found the switch itself to be fairly straightforward. I was actually having some difficulty taking the first card off the top without disturbing the cards below it, especially in such a manner as to look like the rest of the takes. I _think_ I finally worked it out but any tips on this would be great. Also, if anyone has a good effect using this count, let me know! |
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atomic111 New user 57 Posts |
MuesliBelts: Like Recoplon said, the Big Blind Media "Elmsley Count Project" is very helpful. AND has several effects that are taught right after the tutorial on the count.
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kShepher Elite user Washington, DC 470 Posts |
Great responses, a lot to try out. Zeroing in on my main issue, it's the double push off where the flash/seperation occurs. I like the "light touch" recommendation and will work on that. Thanks everybody.
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Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts |
I don't know if Gary Ouellets's book Close Up Illusions is still in print, but, he uses an entirely different grip - he calls it the Paradise Grip and explains how to Elmsley and Jordan with it. It's worth checking out. Other than that, lots of perfect practice!
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kotrozo New user 49 Posts |
Vlad is right! Gary Ouellet's grip version makes the count very easy to do. more natural too, in my opinion. AND, I think his book was just reprinted by Vanishing Inc.
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Rocky Elite user 486 Posts |
It's strange...we harp about using natural actions when performing sleights. How many people...non-magicians...would ever openly count four cards in the action that we magicians do when performing an Elmsley count????
Regardless of how well it's performed, it reeks of a fishy procedure due to the cards returning to the hand where they started out. There is absolutely nothing "natural" about the count what-so-ever. If a no-name had introduced the sleight to the magic world, the move would have never become such an obsession with magicians... |
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Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts |
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On Sep 14, 2017, Rocky wrote: Context. Just because magician use a concept poorly does not mean the concept is poor. |
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