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Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts |
Dear Magicians,
Somewhere, maybe in one of Fulves' books, I read a self-working trick that intrigued me, and I'm thinking about how to enhance the effect using a couple of sleights. My problem is that I've only been studying magic for about a year, and I don't think I'm ready to learn how to palm cards yet -- at least the idea seems intimidating! Here's what I have in mind. Starting at the face of the deck, have a 2 of hearts, joker1, joker2, joker3, joker4. Show first spectator the face of the deck without letting the other spectators see the card. First spectator sees 2 of hearts. Glide joker1 into his hand face-down. Do the same thing with three more spectators. So now each spectator thinks he's holding a 2H, but really it's a joker. Ask each spectator what card they chose, and they discover that they all chose the same card! Then ask them to look at the cards in their hands, and they find that they all have jokers. Make some kind of remark like, "I'll bet you thought there were four 2H's in the deck. Let's look." Ribbon spread the cards, and there's *no* 2H. "Gosh, I think you folks were hallucinating." (Something like that, but tactful. The last thing I want to do is make my audience feel stupid.) So, how do I make the 2H disappear?? I thought of bottom palming it and pocketing it. (Michael Close has a great ebook on bottom palming.) But that would require serious misdirection for an inexperienced magician like me, and I'd have to learn the bottom palm. So maybe I'll have to just wait on this trick until I have more experience. But I wondered if anyone had ideas of some other way to remove the 2H from the deck, or at least hide it somehow so that spectators *think* the 2H is gone. The original effect uses a half-card (the 2H I think), and no sleights. It doesn't include my ending in which the 2H disappears. The ending isn't necessary, but it tickles me to show each spectator the same card, and then they discover that that card was never in the deck. Thanks for your thoughts, folks. Bob |
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carlyle Regular user 166 Posts |
Get the card to top and palm it would be my solution, or lap it.
There are several other ways - hiding a card in a ribbon-spread is not too difficult, and using a reversed card or DB'ker could be another method (no ribbon spread, though). Or get it to the top and go through a few batches of cards - again, no spread, but you'd show all the cards. |
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Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts |
The complete vanish from the pack is a problem that's been tackled by ingenious magicians through the years, with methods that go far beyond just lapping or palming.
Charles Jordan devised two solutions. You can find those in the Fulves book. Another is Eddie Fields' method in the Artful Dodges chapbook. Bob Hummer had a method, although his used a certain something extra. How he got rid of that extra something was, as usual, devious. As usual, Marlo has at least one. There are more, including an easy modification of the McCaffrey Prize Winner/Premonition concept. I list all those to indicate that a lot of thinking has gone outside the box on this plot, so don't limit yourself to the most immediate suggestions. As far as skill level and availability go, I'd say start with the Jordan book. But the Fields method really zings. Happy hunting! |
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DaveGripenwaldt Elite user 487 Posts |
The solutions could be more fully described if this were posted in "Secret Sessions". a D***** !@#$ 2 or double stick tape come to mind.
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TH10111 Regular user 155 Posts |
You may find the gambler's cop to be a good option.
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Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts |
Thanks to all of you. Dave, I just posted this to Secret Sessions as you suggested. I'd never have thought of that, but I found some of the replies here cryptic or tantalizing -- what does D***** !@#$ 2 mean, for instance, and, Carlyle, I'm not clear on how a double-backer or reversed card would help. If any of you have time to give more detail in the thread I posted in Secret Sessions or a PM, that would be great. I'll post a link to the thread once I figure out how to do that.
Rupert, thanks for your detailed references, and TH10111, the Close book that I referred to also teaches the Gambler's cop. So, lots of follow up on here. |
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Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts |
I can't figure out how to link to another thread, but if you just search under the username "Bob G," you'll find a topic entitled "How to secretly remove a card from a deck without palming?"
Thanks, Bob |
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Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts |
Rupert,
I found the following quote on another thread: "Karl Fulves actually published 3 books on Charles Jordan's magic. 1st - The easy to obtain Dover publication, "Charles Jordan's Best Card Tricks" 2nd - Karl also self published a huge book that was filled with Jordan's card magic and non card magic called, "Charles T. Jordan Collected Tricks" 3rd - Karl published a book of his own material that was inspired by Jordan's thinking called, "After Jordan" " Could you tell me which one contains Jordan's two methods for removing a card from a deck, please? I'm guessing the first one, but I don't want to buy a book only to discover that it doesn't contain the methods you recommended. Bob |
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Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts |
That would be the Dover book, yes. You should be able to pick up a copy for less than $10.
And in fact, I just remembered a third trick in that book that would fit what you're looking for. The performer puts the deck in the case. Wraps a rubber band around the case. Drops everything into an envelope and hands it to the spectator. Despite all that, the selection vanishes from the deck and appears in the magician's pocket -- no palming. Great stuff. |
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Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts |
Sounds fun, Rupert, and the price is right!
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Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts |
Hi Rupert,
I just received the Fulves book on Jordan, and it looks really inviting. You mentioned three items in the book that were relevant to relevant to my question about removing a card from a deck without palming. Do you happen to remember the names of the tricks, or could you give me a little more detail to help me find them? I might just happen on them and recognize that they were relevant, but then again... Thanks, Bob |
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Gerald Deutsch Special user 526 Posts |
See Harry Lorayne's "The Magic Eraser" in Reputation Makers.
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Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts |
Thanks, Gerald. I don't own that book, that I do own several of Harry's other books.
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ShaunR New user 52 Posts |
Dani Da Ortiz has a novel solution, he forces a card that was never in the deck to begin with. You can see it on his Utopia DVD's.
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Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts |
Wow! That's pretty wild, Shaun. I'm trying to cut down on my magic spending (it's all too tempting, with so many imaginative books and DVD's around). Do you know which DVD it's on? I'll put it on my list and watch for a sale.
Thanks, Bob |
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts |
Magicians wax
"Don't let your Dreams become Fantasies"
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JoeHohman Special user Erie 706 Posts |
This may not be helpful, because I can't remember the name of the tricks and I don't have the book here with me; but there are several in Annemann's Card Magic that more or less would fit your bill. They typically require some set-up and some gaffing, but there is nothing you could not make on your own.
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Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts |
Thanks, Joe. I own that book and I love it! I'll take yet another look at it, this time with the trick that I described in mind.
Lunatic: that's true, magician's wax would provide an easy solution (at least I think it would) Something like put a tiny bit on the face of the 2H, and then cut the deck after the spectators have unwittingly chosen the jokes, so that the face of the 2H sticks to the card in front of it. Correct? |
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Ben Blau Inner circle 1475 Posts |
“The Cabolo Maneuver” from ASYMPTOTES allows you to make the card disappear from the deck with the deck in the box. Then the card can be made to magically appear wherever the magician wishes. No palming required.
Ben Blau
http://www.benblaumentalism.com |
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Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts |
Thanks, Ben. I looked briefly at some reviews, and this looks like a great book. How difficult is the Cabolo Maneuver? Just to give you some context, I've been working on magic for about a year, and can do a few simple sleights: braue reversal, optical false cut, overhand lift shuffle, double undercut, some others I'm not remembering at the moment, but that should give you the idea.. I'm working on a strike double lift, which is steadily improving but isn't there yet and probably won't be for a while. .
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