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Senor Fabuloso Inner circle 1243 Posts |
Http://conjuror.community/products/trick......tem+-+D3 I don't normally post specific peoples products as I feel like my posts should contribute more than just ads. But when this came into my inbox I had to share it. Now I don't own these but I'm considering buying them and with the money back guarantee I don't know how I can loose?
What are they? I'm not sure but I think they are system of creating a show from the ground up? At $47 marked down from $197 it seems like a good deal? I'll have to do the math in Euros but I think it still is a good deal? I just wanted to bring this to the attention of the site and ask if anybody knows anything about to please post a response.
No matter how many times you say the wrong thing, it will NEVER be right.
If I'm not responding to you? It's because you're a TROLL! |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Seems too good to be true.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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cbguy Veteran user 350 Posts |
I just read through this and I call B.S. I could be wrong, but I've been at this game a long time and I'd like to point out a few things:
1. Always choose the right trick? I have 8 "tricks" that are routined and I refuse to learn any new "tricks", but I do continuously make small adjustment to improve my act. These routines can play for any audience. I have used three of these routine over time as definite, impactful openers or very strong middles. The other 6 have been used as openers, but I prefer to use them as strong middles and closers. 2. I can't imagine having to learn trick after trick, in the hopes of having the perfect effect for every new audience. That's crazy talk! 3. The 8 routines I have used for years can be performed linear or as a set and can run from 10 minutes to 50 minutes. 4. If you want to make sure you do the right "trick" every time for each audience there is a simple formula to follow: Forget about tricks and get the audience to "like" you. Once they like YOU, it doesn't matter what "trick" you do...they will like it. If they don't "like" you, you're dead in the water. |
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Senor Fabuloso Inner circle 1243 Posts |
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On Nov 17, 2017, cbguy wrote: Agree 100% But we still need to structure our performances in a way that in not only entertaining but makes sense. There is nothing as bad as a mis-mash of tricks presented with no rhyme or reason. It's boring and not at all engaging. Like a good book a show needs a beginning a middle and an end. It should flow seamlessly from one stage to the next. And it should end with a bang. I don't know if the tick sheets do this but if they do? They're well worth the price.
No matter how many times you say the wrong thing, it will NEVER be right.
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10587 Posts |
To me it seems like another product targeted at low-level, beginner or hobby magicians. Few workers would really need such a thing. This is what is wrong with magic today. It shouldn't be about the tricks and the secrets, it's about the personality and performance, tricks should only the part of the presentation.
To see how crazy this is, look at his website and video and substitute the word "trick" with the word "song" and "magician" with "cover band". It sounds ridiculous. Imagine a course telling a coverband what songs to select to be able to be a good band, lol. If trick selection is a magician's trouble area he or she likely has bigger problems than this. I've worked with many magicians over the years and this has never been a great issue or even a discussion with any of them. You program to your market. |
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Senor Fabuloso Inner circle 1243 Posts |
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On Nov 18, 2017, Mindpro wrote: Great advice and a very true statement. They seem to be saying that the tick sheets will do exactly that? I think this could be for as you suggest the beginner or hobby performer but it could also be for the overwhelmed magician who has acquired copious amounts of props that they are bewildered about how to structure into a show. This mag include performers who already have shows but want to structure a different show for a different audience that they have never worked for? I'm not hawking these sheets as I honestly know nothing but what I read on the site. So if the overall impression is they are a scam I won't waste my time. I just thought given the money back guarantee and the claims they might be worth checking out?
No matter how many times you say the wrong thing, it will NEVER be right.
If I'm not responding to you? It's because you're a TROLL! |
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10587 Posts |
Sure, go for it and let us know...
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bpeters16 New user 8 Posts |
Being a current subscriber to conjurer community I have access to and have watched the trick selection system. I hate to give feedback on anything specific within the community because to me it is the whole of what is offered when you subscribe that is "worth it." However I can say that the trick selection system you are talking about is more than you all are currently thinking. It comes from working pros who put together information about the way they go about selecting tricks and how they tie them together with others to make a good routine. Everything that is offered by Aaron Fisher and Adam Grace I can assure you is top notch.
Still I would join the community instead of purchasing anything individual it is way more worth it. You get access to a wonderful group of magicians all working to help one another as well as weekly terrific live lectures by working magicians. As well as access to the large library of past lectures and APs to look through. Mostly joining for me was about stopping buying tricks and focusing on making the most of what I have. And yea I just recently made the jump into semi-pro from amateur and hopefully will be making the jump into full time soon. Hope this helps you all. Have a wonderful day. |
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Rattooth New user 78 Posts |
I am a CONJURING COMMUNITY member. The discussion here shows why criticism of something you haven’t seen can lead to false conclusions. The very things that you are voicing concerns and/or doubts about is what is addressed in these videos.
Senor Fabulosa, if you think Conjuring Community is something you might be interested in, go for it. There is a wealth of material here. No other teaching comes close, because the instructors are knowledgeable and passionate. They know what questions students ask from experience, and address them. CBGUY: Some of your points are in fact taught here. You may have learned this from years of experience, but for others it is taught clearly so they learn without the trial and error hopefully. Conjuring Community also teaches in other videos a lot about marketing and getting new clients. The particular thing being discussed here is not a trick sheet. It is several hours of teaching video . Including how to do several different tricks. The “ trick sheets “ is only a tiny part of videos. The core is teaching you how to select, categorize, adapt things on the Trick Sheet. Think of writing a to do list for a day. The paper was only a reminder. Now think of the Conjuring Community lesson as how to get the list done. The teaching is amazing. I think this is good for all levels of experience. If I would pick the single type of person that would get the most good out of it, it would be the person wanting to start booking paying clients or the part time professional looking for more clients. There is certainly things for beginner too. For the person that is already a professional and fully booked with clients, you will still be amazed at the depth of teaching. |
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thesmurfman New user 25 Posts |
I am going to have to agree with @bpeters16 and @Rattooth
I am a current Conjuror Community Member, I have been for almost 2 years, and month to month I still feel it is the best money, best value I spend on magic. The specific offer brought up, is a full course on routine building, and audience engagement that I have not really come across anything similar. Different people will get different things out of it, tricks, theory, ideas but everyone can probably find something interesting in that. Try it as a taste, and likely you will want to have a gander at the other material in the community. With regards to @MindPro " Few workers would really need such a thing. This is what is wrong with magic today. It shouldn't be about the tricks and the secrets, it's about the personality and performance, tricks should only the part of the presentation." ... You may be surprised how many workers find value in the community and in the ideas presented in the specific course for this thread being offered. In general, I agree with the above, and the subscription long term really has a value way beyond, but the course that is discussed in this thread highlights exactly much of what you are talking about. Teaching you how to leverage tools you have and maximize them, how to grow consistently as a performer at any level.... it is a much richer set of videos that I believe you are used to seeing/getting, and I believe the material would pleasantly surprise you. As would the Conjuror Community in general. |
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Senor Fabuloso Inner circle 1243 Posts |
So I contacted the people over at conjuror community about the tick sheets and they assure me the 60 day nqa mbg is legit. So I may take the plunge? If I do? I'll let everyone know my honest impressions.
No matter how many times you say the wrong thing, it will NEVER be right.
If I'm not responding to you? It's because you're a TROLL! |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I think you should definitely listen to the new posters who are chiming in for the first time about this. What could be the problem with that?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10587 Posts |
That of course is what makes this whole thing here seem really suspect. New posters that have never posted here, most with only a handful of posts, all praising something many have never heard of before. It's like a call of support went out and now all of the unknown posters are offering "friend" support. This seems like a UK product/service but I could be wrong. Even the fact that this was even posted here in Tricky Business seems suspect? What does this have to do with the business side of performing? It is more performance-based content which is more appropriate I would think in other forums on the Café.
Also, suspect is that their bigger offerings seem to take one from selecting tricks to marketing, which is very typical of newbie mentalities and approaches. I'm happy for the guys that feel they've received something from this. |
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thesmurfman New user 25 Posts |
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On Nov 19, 2017, Dannydoyle wrote: Perhaps the fact that people who are often quiet here, that felt the need to chime in here, is a strong statement for the topic question, as opposed to a weak one or one with a problem? People who have put their money in, tested it, and continue to support the product after a long time (With public statements here, as well as continued subscription). Conjuror Community is a positive, quality community, with a plethora of goods you will not believe until you walk through the door. The product questions in this thread is MANY MANY hours of valuable teaching by real long time professionals. It's not 1 or 2 DVDS. It's not one trick or one topic. It's a COURSE on magic, thinking, routines and audience engagement. Maybe the problem is in you knocking things before you try them? |
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thesmurfman New user 25 Posts |
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On Nov 19, 2017, Mindpro wrote: I have been a member of this site since the moment I entered magic over 2 years ago. The reason some of us choose not to participate much here is.... well ... this attitude. I stopped trying to participate here for this very reason. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Excuse me but where did I knock anything?
If you like I can certainly start. Just since you seem to want me to chime in I will add that one does not have to try jumping off a 100 story building to know how stupid an idea it truly is. No matter how many have and support it this is just stupid to jump off such a building. So the argument that one needs to try it to know it is stupid is just wrong sling with others support it is wrong. These seem to be the points you make. Now do you want to leave me alone?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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thesmurfman New user 25 Posts |
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On Nov 19, 2017, Dannydoyle wrote: I am sorry, in your example, does jumping off the building come back with a "Life Back Guarentee"? |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Yes. I'll give you your money back if it doesn't work.
So your point is all things with a money back guarantee are totally good? Late night informercials will be so happy. Gotta love a true believer. And by the way I wasn't the one calling bs on your system. Why start with me?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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bpeters16 New user 8 Posts |
I appreciate that you guys are trying to look out for the magic community. It is always good to question everything. No one wants to be ripped off but at what point do you all realize you are maybe too negative about everything. I am rather shy so I don't post much plus I work a full time job and part time magic so I don't have the time to set around posting in a community that does more to bring people down than lift them up. We are all magicians and we came here in good faith to try and let the poster know about something he asked about. Danny and Mindpro you may be experienced and know all so very much but you know nothing of conjurer community. It has been for me what I always wanted this place to be. A supportive place for magicians to feel safe talking to each other and not be attacked all the time.
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10587 Posts |
Still, what does this have to do with the business aspects of performing magic? Part of success in business is targeting the right audience in your efforts. Do you think there are a lot of members here who are having great concerns about trick selection? And again, what does it have to do with this section? I've yet to hear anything about trade shows, cruises, educational programs or business aspects in trick selection.
Certainly knowing the junk and scams that are ever-present out there in the magic community you should be able to understand the concern? |
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