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jakeg Inner circle 1741 Posts |
I’ve done a good bit of reading about the chop cup. I’ve read comments that cover the spectrum from, ‘greatest trick ever’, to, ‘everybody figures out how it was done’.
The more that I think about it, the more that I’m convinced that the answer is obvious anybody who spends 5 minutes thinking about it. Right? Wrong? |
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danaruns Special user The City of Angels 808 Posts |
Wrong. At least, not if you do it well.
"Dana Douglas is the greatest magician alive. Plus, I'm drunk." -- Foster Brooks
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jakeg Inner circle 1741 Posts |
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On Nov 19, 2017, danaruns wrote: One of the posts I read was from a restaurateur. He apparently has magicians come in on a regular basis. His post, which is the one that got me thinking about it, said that no matter who he has had performing, he hears tables talking about how the cup works. |
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Kaliix Inner circle Connecticut 1984 Posts |
Just a Cup by Axel Hecklau will throw those off who think they know how it's done. You can inspect the props all day long, even together and at the same time if you like. There is nothing to find, yet you can still have the spectator FEEL the object hit THEIR hand as it penetrates the cup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BMDiZICYa8
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel J. Boorstin |
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jakeg Inner circle 1741 Posts |
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On Nov 19, 2017, Kaliix wrote: I remember reading the same suggestion you made on another post, and I wholeheartedly agree with you. The biggest drawback for me is that I’m being asked to disprove a possible solution which, in my mind, turns a trick into a puzzle. There are a couple of other things that I question about it as well, but it would bring us off topic. |
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Kaliix Inner circle Connecticut 1984 Posts |
This is the Magic Café, is there such a thing as off topic? You should question away.
I would think that with the die and leather cup, you could work it into the presentation that they handle the cup and die together, shutting off a possible answer path as part of the effect.
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel J. Boorstin |
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jakeg Inner circle 1741 Posts |
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On Nov 19, 2017, Kaliix wrote: Good point. Can the cup and die be handled as a normal die cup prior to beginning the routine? How about for stacking and then going into a CC routine? I think that I answered my other questions after giving it some thought. |
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Tom G Inner circle 2895 Posts |
David Roth told me a story about doing the chop cup once. Some woman walked by during the routine and without missing a step announced it was a magnet... I believe he was able to disprove that with the regular ball.
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61magic Special user Sacramento California 775 Posts |
Consider many of the people in the restaurant may have simply been on youtube a see how the chop cup works... or googled the method...
This is the sad part of exposure magicians deal with where many in your audience may know the secrets. Doesn't mean the trick is bad just over exposed.
Professor J. P. Fawkes
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tonsofquestions Inner circle 1802 Posts |
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On Nov 19, 2017, jakeg wrote: I don't have the effect, so I'm not 100% sure I know the method, but I'm fairly confident from watching the videos. Yes to both of your questions - the die can be handed out as normal, as can the cup. One previous thread pointed out that they could even be handed out to the same spectator, and they will find nothing. |
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danaruns Special user The City of Angels 808 Posts |
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On Nov 19, 2017, jakeg wrote: I think a lot depends on the routine you do. Too many people do a routine that can be deciphered. I like Larry Jennings' routine, which uses a silk, a couple change-ups, is non-repetitive, and has a narrative that adds to the deception. All that prevents spectators from figuring it out. There are also chop cups that are completely examinable. I use Joe Porper's "Cocktail Surprise." The gimmick isn't in the cup. It's an ordinary cup. The gimmick is in the wand, which renders the cup essentially gimmicked when you hold the want near it. And it has the added kicker of being able to pour a drink out of it at the end. I really think a well-crafted and smartly done chop cup routine is indecipherable.
"Dana Douglas is the greatest magician alive. Plus, I'm drunk." -- Foster Brooks
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55Hudson Special user Minneapolis 984 Posts |
I much prefer to refer to a "one-cup" routine, rather than a chop cup routine.
Effect versus method. I use both gimmicked and ungimmicked props to perform one-cup routines. Obviously the gimmicked props provide the ability to do a little more, but it's not that difficult to take a coffee cup (or two or three) and perform a short routine. If the audience can't figure out the method in a three cup routine, why should they be able to figure out in a one-cup routine? (I agree with Dana - we constructed, well performed, and it will be both magical and entertaining.) Hudson |
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Leo H Inner circle 1331 Posts |
[quote]On Nov 19, 2017, danaruns wrote:
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On Nov 19, 2017, jakeg wrote: I really think a well-crafted and smartly done chop cup routine is indecipherable. I think so too. Relying too much on the gaff can tip off the method. If the specs see the ball go into the cup and a moment later register the vanish when the cup is lifted, they will correctly assume it's somehow stuck inside the cup. |
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Kaliix Inner circle Connecticut 1984 Posts |
The cup and die can be handled and used as a normal die and cup before hand with no problems. Heck, even with the die loaded in the cup you could pick up the cup, show it empty and even hand it out to the spectator (not that I would recommend that, but it's possible). I'm guessing you could stack dice, thought never having never stacked dice in my life, I wouldn't know for sure.
Quote: On Nov 19, 2017, jakeg wrote:
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel J. Boorstin |
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jakeg Inner circle 1741 Posts |
Just a cup looks real good on YouTube, and has very good revues .... BUT ,,,,,,, it’s a heck of a lot more than I can afford. Big consideration.
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Kaliix Inner circle Connecticut 1984 Posts |
You know, the trick isn't cheap, that is for sure. I was patient and saved up.
I think it's worth it because there is much that differentiates it from other chop cup routines. It uses a die, which makes it unique as they are not easy to chop. The supplied gimmick is allows for the die to drop on the spectators hand. You can't really find that in any other chop cup I've seen and it is so strong. The gimmick also allows the die to be pulled through the bottom, which is highly visual and uses only one die. You know when the die is on the table and if it is, you can still show the die is not there, even showing the cup empty as well, only for the die to reappear under the cup at your control. The use of the neck crack gimmick is also unique and funny. These are the things that set it apart and in my mind, justify the price.
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel J. Boorstin |
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jakeg Inner circle 1741 Posts |
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On Nov 25, 2017, Kaliix wrote: There is no question that the routine is unique, but, I don’t feel that the audience sees a chop cup often enough to know the difference from one to the other, or if you use a die or a ball. I believe that you can do the most fantastic routine with the most expensive props, and they will still ask to see the sponge rabbits. |
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danaruns Special user The City of Angels 808 Posts |
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On Nov 25, 2017, jakeg wrote: Boy, ain't that the truth!
"Dana Douglas is the greatest magician alive. Plus, I'm drunk." -- Foster Brooks
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Kaliix Inner circle Connecticut 1984 Posts |
I'm with you on the sponge balls (or rabbits). A top 3 trick I do. Awesome reactions!
You know what, don't spend the money on JAC. I'd rather be one of the few who do it. Quote: On Nov 25, 2017, jakeg wrote:
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel J. Boorstin |
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jakeg Inner circle 1741 Posts |
Although I’ve seen JAC demo on YouTube, I’ve never seen a routine with it. I would like to see how the features of JAC are used to change the routine. It seems to me that if the performer is doing the usual chop routine, it’s a vanity thing.
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