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I think it would be great if there was an entire set of pieces (even if only one of them is “special”). There is something nice about being able to pick these up off of an actual chess board.
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I think it would be great if there was an entire set of pieces (even if only one of them is “special”).

these look just like a basic plastic regulation tournament set to me.

https://www.amazon.com/Best-Value-Tourna......hess+set
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Got an email today, chess guess is on it’s way to my adress.

Anybody already received their order?
And if so, what are your thoughts about it?
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I think it would be great if there was an entire set of pieces (even if only one of them is “special”). There is something nice about being able to pick these up off of an actual chess board.

Agree totally. There is something convincing about the randomness.
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I think this could be used to lead to a knight's tour type of effect. Just an idea to justify using chess pieces.
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The one problem I have with this vs other electronic methods for this type of routine is that you are limited to the pawns. Seems inflexible.
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Agree totally. There is something convincing about the randomness.


But, again, it isn't random. 1. It's the best piece to hide comfortably, and 2. this is a realistic scenario. Chess players do this to decide who will play white. if done with a different piece, it will be awkward and seem "off" to any chess players.

Get a set like in the link I posted and a pouch to keep the pieces in. They are usually pleather and a little bigger than a pencil pouch/bank pouch. You can put all the pieces in and just pull out the two pawns. or dump the pieces out and put in some pawns for a Kurotsuke routine.

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Agree totally. There is something convincing about the randomness.


But, again, it isn't random. 1. It's the best piece to hide comfortably, and 2. this is a realistic scenario. Chess players do this to decide who will play white. if done with a different piece, it will be awkward and seem "off" to any chess players.


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You are so right, even non chess chess players have seen this scene at least one time.
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If there was a thematic reason then perhaps having a chess board on stage would be great, or if the other pieces would play a part in a later routine, then fine.

But don't do it to add more smoke and mirrors, or to seem more fair. The pawns are less flexible then coins yes, but there is a reason why using pawns work (a pretty good which hand set up). That should be enough to use as fire for a presentation that turns off people's firewalls to foul play.

Adding more pieces to the equation adds nothing (in the smoke and mirrors department). You either have to pick the special piece yourself, or force it, which is more work and time that could be used selling them the bulls*** you were going to sell them anyway..

It's a harder sell in close up then stage, more chance of hecklers and curious people thinking laterally.. Why on gods green earth are you carrying around 2 chess pieces? You aren't really going to carry a set are you? It's just as odd and more impractical. The only solution is a tight script, and a back up plan for those that want to challenge you. "Mmm, ok very impressive, but do we have to do this with the chess pieces?", "Do you a small item? We can use that instead. In fact, point to someone else, let's increase the amount of hands as well". Straight into V2
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Tomd,

Your points are well made. I was invisioning more than close up and multiple phases of effect. There is so much that can be done with chess pieces, a board and extra “helps” like “Chess Guess”. I have some ideas that have root in my related “A Chess Experiment” thread. Currently, two people can think of chess pieces are they are the only two pieces in the bag (based upon the exercise noted in the thread). That is only the beginning.
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Tomd,

Your points are well made. I was invisioning more than close up and multiple phases of effect. There is so much that can be done with chess pieces, a board and extra “helps” like “Chess Guess”. I have some ideas that have root in my related “A Chess Experiment” thread. Currently, two people can think of chess pieces are they are the only two pieces in the bag (based upon the exercise noted in the thread). That is only the beginning.


Ahh yes your chess experiment is Intriguing. There is a heap of potential with what you were trying, and the experiment seems to be logically consistent with the standard which hand theme and the notion of "being moves ahead". I have personally racked my brain with possible tie-ins with the chess board, but nothing came of it. The only conclusion I came to was that "chess guess" would probably be placed at the beginning of this hypothetically routine (due to the build in which hand mechanic in a real chess game). Depending on the findings in your experiment you could easily make your idea the opening phase, or even the closer if you hit a eureka moment.

I decided to ditch the whole thing and focus on a routine that ended on a climax of "being moves ahead" just with the two supplied pieces. I have the idea. But it needs to be tested with audiences, as we all know something that plays well in the head might fall flat with real muggles.

At this point I'm more excited to see what you come up with, it seemed like an impossible feat to me. Good luck and keep us posted
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Devin Knight has two chess effects:
Chess Gambit and Knight's Tour Excalibur
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Devin Knight has two chess effects:
Chess Gambit and Knight's Tour Excalibur


The Sponge: thanks for that

Tomd: revisit the inner thoughts section regarding the chess experiment. I’ve noted some thoughts!
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Package received today, will get back with a detailed review.

Does anybody know which chess piece set I should order?
I found a set that looks like the pieces you receive with Chess Guess but that set is available in 2 sizes, one is a set with a king of 64mm and the other set is with a king of 77mm.
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How tall is the pawn?

The set I see with a 77 mm king comes with a 38 mm pawn.
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How tall is the pawn?

The set I see with a 77 mm king comes with a 38 mm pawn.


thank you for this info.
I could only find the height of the king 64mm/77mm.
The pawn that comes with Chess Guess is about 45mm high and 27mm wide....
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Hopefully mine has arrived today.
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You need a plastic regulation set where the king is 95mm tall. (3.75")

I just measured my set. Here it is:
https://www.amazon.com/Best-Value-Tourna......hess+set

Look at the color though. Not sure your color. this set is ivory/cream. They do have some pure white. You just have to check.
Weight could be another issue. Not sure how much weight was added to the pawn. But they do make weighted sets too.

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Thank you!
The provided pawn is also of a ivory/cream color (or as I call it smokers white Smile ).
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Hi,
Could someone provide us the time needed to get the signal ?
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