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Huzzah New user 53 Posts |
So many cups & balls routines involve bits where the balls jump from the pocket to the cup, just as an excuse to go to the pockets and steal the final loads. What are some good routines that don't involve constantly going to the pockets (or servant)?
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Huzzah New user 53 Posts |
Besides Tommy Wonder's routine. Sorry, I meant to add that.
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BarryFernelius Inner circle Still learning, even though I've made 2537 Posts |
Al Schneider has a few routines that do not require pocket loads. Scotty York had one as well, published as a small pamphlet. (See abebooks.com or one of the used magic book dealers.)
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Mr. Woolery Inner circle Fairbanks, AK 2149 Posts |
David Regal’s Cups and Balls and Cups and Balls has loads that don’t involve pocket steals.
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Huzzah New user 53 Posts |
Thanks, I'll definitely have to hek those out
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jcb New user 6 Posts |
Brian Watson also has one routine that doesn't require pockets.
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55Hudson Special user Minneapolis 984 Posts |
Suzanne's Castle routine.
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
Scared to go to your pockets? Or you don't have pockets?
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Harry Murphy Inner circle Maryland 5444 Posts |
Scotty York's work has already been mentioned. His booklet (OOP) is titled "X-Ray Cups and Balls" is a pretty much self-contained, three-cup routine not requiring the pockets. It is long out of print and I've not found a source for it (other than eBay from time to time). Perhaps Denny (Denny and Lee Magic Studio) may have an old copy on the shelves. Denny owns the rights to Scotty's works so may be encouraged to republish the booklet.
Bob Farmer also has an interesting three Cup routine called "Cyclops" It requires no use of pockets. It goes in a slightly different direction. I can be found in ebook/PDF format from Lybrary.com. https://www.lybrary.com/cyclops-p-922121.html
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Scot York routine was called "X-RATED"
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Harry Murphy Inner circle Maryland 5444 Posts |
Right! It is, I stand corrected. *** autocorrect! (and not proofreading!!!) Thanks Pete.
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cbguy Veteran user 350 Posts |
Check with Bri
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SleightlyChris Veteran user Lancashire, England 360 Posts |
If you wear a jacket you could make your own or buy them from fabric manipulation. It's Lynette Welch website and has a ball holder you fasten to the inside of your coat right at the bottom. Mind you it probably won't do you any good if your jacket is too long for your arms.
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Huzzah New user 53 Posts |
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On Jan 7, 2018, TheAmbitiousCard wrote: Mostly just out of curiosity. I love exploring new ideas and playing around with different presentations and methods. There have been a few times that I've been annoyed by the bulges in my pockets, but for the most part, I've never really had much of an issue or worry that people would call me out. I've mostly performed the standard Vernon routine, but I've also got my own which has a combination of pocket loads and loading right off the table (a la Tommy Wonder). My routine's pocket loads are small enough for the bulging to not be an issue, but my main gripe is the whole idea of the ball jumping from the pocket back to the cup. I don't necessarily think there's anything wrong with it, but sometimes I feel like magicians include it into their routine for no other reason than just an excuse to go to the pockets to steal the loads when I think there are times where it should be left out. I'm mostly looking for other ideas and ways of loading (or not loading at all - I know Elmsley had the cup of salt on the table from the start which is interesting) for reference for routines I put together in the future or possibly add to my current one (Overall, I'm fairly satisfied with what I have and don't feel it necessary to change that particular part) or if anyone has other motivations for going to the pocket, those are also worth looking at. |
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DaveGripenwaldt Elite user 487 Posts |
If you can borrow a copy, Danny Korem had a stand up chop cup routine without pocket loads in his "Without Limits" book.
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New User New user 32 Posts |
I saw a cup routine called the Asymmetrical Cups and balls that was sold back a while ago that did not have large final loads at all. the ad explained that the inventor had created a routine with a completely different ending that was just as impressive. The price tag on the manuscript kept me from ordering it though.
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malaki Elite user 490 Posts |
It has been said that if you want to keep a magical secret, then have it published. So few use books as a reference these days.
Check some of the older volumes of magic for interesting ideas. You may not use them, but it is information that will, eventually come in handy. Books such as "Our Magic", Tarbell, etc. show how magicians have solved these various problems in the past. Loading from under a table (spikes, ball holders, servanté, etc.) are all means incorporated by magicians to solve such problems, and many of them are no longer used by the modern practitioner, giving you a leg up on the competition. The busker's pouch is also a functional alternative, IF your costume/character allows it's use. Of course you can always use these sources as suggestions, to invent something of your own... Just because it has not been tried (or published) before, does not mean that it cannot be done. Arm yourself with information and put your mind to it! Plus, you will find a LOT of very interesting information that you probably have not even considered! What was old is new again! |
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sethb Inner circle The Jersey Shore 2719 Posts |
The tradeshow magician Mike Rogers used a box servante for his final loads. You can see his routine on the "Cups & Balls Teach-In" DVD by Stevens Magic. This is a very clever variation on the classic table servante --- it's in plain view of the audience, but it's basically unnoticed and thus invisible. For my money, this is the best solution for a pocketless final load; it's very accessible, relatively angleproof, and easy to accomplish very naturally.
Brian Watson's "Anytime, Anywhere Cups & Balls" (a 2-DVD set) also uses a gimmick other than pockets for the final loads. It's also a clever idea, but I would personally prefer the Rogers setup as more effective and easier to work. Having said all that, be sure to take a look at the C&B routine on Johnny Ace Palmer's "Trilogy" DVD set, and be amazed as he loads live chicks from his coat pockets. His technique, timing and misdirection are just flawless! SETH
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Al Schneider V.I.P. A corn field in WI surrounded by 1080 Posts |
Well, here is my two cents.
Avoiding the pockets is an admirable goal. I have looked at many possibilities. One is to consider the sleeve. It is possible to do a final load on the table at the time a small ball is revealed. It of course requires a coat. An advantage is the balls can be loaded at the top of the inside the coat when fetching the props. I am not clear here on this as this can be read by the public. Some creative thought will reveal what I am talking about. The sleeve can be used when the hand is dropped to the side. However, when I have seen it done, there is always a fiddle of the hand drawing attention to the secret stuff. Kent has a friend selling a holdout that may be interesting but has a $350 price tag. It suffers the same fiddle problem unless the performer waves his hands violently during use. Droppers have the same problem.
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malaki Elite user 490 Posts |
"Kent has a friend selling a holdout that may be interesting but has a $350 price tag." -Al Schneider
Wow! At $350, it will certainly make some of your cash vanish! !-) Working without pockets has always been a challenge. Considering how pockets did not make an appearance in garb (clothing) until the Renaissance, this has been an issue for those working in Medieval recreation groups. One solution is to use clothing from other parts of the world. The Gi or Del from Mongolia or China is one period solution. Both of these forms of shirt, though tied shut with string ties, is useful when a sash is added around the waist. The entire front of the shirt becomes a pocket, though they are only accessible from the right side. Storage of small items can remain an issue. The sash can also act as a hidden pocket (or to hide one...). |
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