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sennheiser New user Germany 68 Posts |
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On Mar 12, 2018, warren wrote: Paul Cummins represents the state that a multiple selections routine is one of the best things you can do. I think he stated this in his Penguin lecture. |
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warren Inner circle uk 4138 Posts |
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On Mar 13, 2018, sennheiser wrote: Does Paul teach his routine and share any tips regarding multiple selections on his penguin lecture as the Fusillade notes that Helder kindly mentioned are no longer available ? |
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SimonCard Special user 601 Posts |
Mr. Cummins uses the technical side steal for all selections. It looks very good.
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warren Inner circle uk 4138 Posts |
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On Mar 13, 2018, SimonCard wrote: I know I see things through magician's eyes but I've yet to see a magician use a side steal for multiple selections that didn't look very obvious after the first couple of selections and I've seen some top magicians use the technique, that's not to say their technique was bad but it's one of those moves that becomes increasingly obvious as the selection process gets continues. |
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helder Inner circle Portugal 1065 Posts |
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On Mar 13, 2018, warren wrote: Yeah, he perform and teach his routine on Penguin lecture.
My version of Eddie fetcher "Be Honest What's it?" it's available at Penguin Magic
Check my Facebook group: Mentalism Secrets Email: heldermagico@gmail.com www.facebook.com/heldermagico |
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Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts |
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On Mar 13, 2018, warren wrote: This does not apply to Cummins. Not only is his technique perfect and undetectable, but he applies it thoughtfully. |
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warren Inner circle uk 4138 Posts |
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On Mar 13, 2018, Rupert Pupkin wrote: Is there a clip of him on youtube where I can see this as I've seen some performances by many world class magicians and so far the technique has stuck out like a sore thumb when that technique has been used repeatably for each selection ? This is one of the reasons I pointed out right at the beginning that the only two controls I'm interested in are Doc Eason's and Aldo Colombini's I even said please don't mention other methods and as a side note my side steal sucks haha, joking aside I would love to see a clip of Paul's performance though as it sounds top notch |
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SimonCard Special user 601 Posts |
Sorry for my mistake, the one Mr. Cummins uses is Marlo's deliberate side steal, not technical side steal. Both are Marlo's though.
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warren Inner circle uk 4138 Posts |
The only clip I could see of that technique is the one in the link that follows which to me if repeated 6 or more times looks very obvious but as I said I'm probably looking through magicians eyes, however the fact remains that I personally suck at the side steal and I haven't really seen anything that's inspired me to put in some serious practice with the technique.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYZ4zSgoC20 |
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Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts |
That's not Paul Cummins.
I recommend purchasing his Side Steal Declassified DVD. He's finessed the move to the nth degree and teaches it well. The side steal is an invaluable technique. |
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warren Inner circle uk 4138 Posts |
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On Mar 13, 2018, Rupert Pupkin wrote: I didn't say that clip was of Paul Cummins I said this is a clip of the side steal that someone mentioned he used and as the clip showed when used multiple times in a row it's obvious what is happening. now rather than discuss the side steal can we please move back to discussing multiple selection routines especially as I pointed out at the beginning of the thread and have mentioned numerous times since I'm not interested in using other techniques apart from Doc's and Aldo's thank you. If you use multiple selection routines yourself perhaps you could share some of the tips you've picked up such as the great advice Chamberlain shared ? |
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sgtgrey Special user Austin, TX 839 Posts |
I've been holding off making any comments on this thread, but I've been watching with interest. I really do enjoy a good multiple selection routine, and I've studied many of them. What I've found from experience is that it depends very much on the situation what I am going to do. Questions I always consider: 1) Is it a formal show, casual show, walk around, etc. 2) is this being done stand up or close-up, 3) Is there a table top, bar top, cocktail table, or no table at all. There are other questions to consider, of course, but these do drive my decision as to what type of multiple selection routine I'll do.
I personally prefer a routine similar to Helder Guimaraes' Crescendo or Joshua Jay's formal stand up routine. Both quickly get past the procedural part of the effect with great conviction the cards are truly lost, and then proceed to go into a series of continually more impressive revelations. Neither needs a table, and both have specific features to them that I like and consider when I am doing a multiple selection in a more formal show. If there is a table, and I was doing a more close-up, card focused show I would consider using a control procedure more like what Paul Vigil (from Classic Fantastic) or Darwin Ortiz (Supercharged Nine Card Location) use. Both routines are worth your time to study, and they give the spectators a great degree of freedom that seems very natural when a table is available. In the event I am doing a less formal performance without a table, I'd lean heavily into John Guastaferro's Multi Mental, which uses the fireworks control, as I think it plays nicely in these situations (and is honestly just a fun routine to do!). I also have used shorter routines with less selections (3-4) using a spread cull as the procedure. One of my favorites in this area is Terry Ward's Cards to Pocket routine using 3 selections - it doesn't quite conform to a "multiple revelation" routine, but it does use multiple selections and is a wonderful routine. Of course, my version is a little different, but it's been a staple in my repertoire ever since I learned it from the Art of Play DVD set. I find I lean between 7-9 cards in a multiple selection routine. Critical things to consider for the routine itself - 1) make the procedure part of it as painless and quick as possible, and don't forget to find ways to make even that portion as entertaining as possible. Watch guys who use this type of routine a lot (Doc, Aldo, Paul, Michael Vincent, John Shryock, etc.) to see how to do this. One important thing I learned from watching Doc was to include each spectator's name as part of the revelation - I find that really important, for me at least. And 2) Make sure the routine logically builds to the conclusion - it's not about what revelation is more difficult to do, but rather which ones are more impressive to laymen. Fullisade has some great thoughts on that if you can find it. Anyway, I'm sure there are pros who do this routine way more than I and are more qualified to give advice, but I have studied many of the guys above, performed it many times myself, and found great success with it. In fact, sometimes it'll be the only thing I do in an informal setting, as it can be a full show in itself. |
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warren Inner circle uk 4138 Posts |
Sgtgrey thanks for your input I found your post very informative and it's given me some other routines to study
My own routine is taking shape quite nicely thanks to the input I've received from you guys and I'm sure other's will also find this thread to be very useful when it comes to building their own routines as there have been numerous things discussed along with plenty of sources for people to check out. |
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