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Degio Regular user It took me years to get to 152 Posts |
I'm trying to find the best way to vanish 3 regular coins one at a time (to end my routine).
I searched the Café and, in the past, many recommended Justin Miller's Silver Dream, which is indeed fantastic, but I am looking for a combination of moves to be performed just with bare hands. Basically: starting with 3 regular coins visible, ending with coins palmed. Vanishing a stack of 3 coins is easy; vanishing them one at a time is much harder as they end up "talking", especially towards the end (when only one coin is apparently in play). At the moment I am practicing Eric Jones' KKK, i.e. his third and last phase of Mirage Et Trois. I'd love to be able to edge grip 3 coins (one at a time) as Kainoa Harbottle does, but no matter how hard I try, my coins end up "clicking". Many 3fly routines end with such a sequence, but often they require a [ in order to be one coin ahead (nesting, palming, proceed to next vanish, etc.). What sequence do you use? Many thanks! |
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9981 Posts |
Consider exploring "one behind" methods that have the audience believing there are more coins in play than actual.
This can allow the ditch of a coin to be asynchronous with the apparent vanish and greatly enhance the astonishment. This is easier than palming methods that only pretend tat the coins have vanished. The best way to show you hands empty is to make it so. Of course, if one later wishes to make the coins reappear ... heat will follow" can direct/limit choices here. being "one ahead" may be necessary for the initial sequences of an effect like 3Fly, but in the final phased you can be one behind. Then apply methods to have the audience think you have two coins when you have only one. Now you can use a combination of pseudo-sleights to have the audience "see" the last coin after it is already gone. But, you say "no sleeves - no pockets", so the coins have to go somehwere. Are you limiting this to palming methods only?
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Larry Barnowsky Inner circle Cooperstown, NY where bats are made from 4770 Posts |
If you want one with no sleeving or gaffs, you might try my Digestible Coins from 21st Century Coin Mechanics. The routine is in the book with all the explanations. The sleights are also performed and taught on the DVD.
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
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On May 14, 2018, Larry Barnowsky wrote: Yep! That's a real good way to gitter-done alright. And you might also reach out via PM to Mano here on the Café. He's also quite ingenious as to stuff like this.
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dj Inner circle 1177 Posts |
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On May 14, 2018, Mb217 wrote: Marion, I know some routines of Mano. Which coin routine from Mano do you mean? For example Mano's "Twisting in the Air" routine is excellent. Only three coins and pure sleight of hand. Darko |
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Degio Regular user It took me years to get to 152 Posts |
Thank you all! Great ideas and feedback.
If you come up with more sources, feel free to add. |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On May 14, 2018, Degio wrote: Have you looked at Roth's Hanging Coins item? That's good for three coins and you're allowed to use an odd coin, button or other prop as a wand.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
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On May 14, 2018, dj wrote: dj, I'm not referring to any particular routine, just that I know that Mano can vanish multiple coins, I've seen him do it in different things he does.
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Degio Regular user It took me years to get to 152 Posts |
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Have you looked at Roth's Hanging Coins item? That's good for three coins and you're allowed to use an odd coin, button or other prop as a wand. Of course Hanging Coins was my starting point, but, as far as I know, the last coin does not vanish. As described in Coinmagic and in NYCMS Vol.5, three (out of four) coins are vanished one at a time, and the natural little noise that each coin makes (when edge gripped) is logical, because it's the noise it would make when picked up. The problem comes when also the last coin needs to be vanished. When only one coin is (apparently) left, any move should be completely silent. But that requires very soft coins (if the last coin joins the others, as Kainoa Harbottle does in his variation of Hanging Coins) or palming the last one in a different way (i.e. separately from the others). |
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CarpetShark Special user 576 Posts |
Degio, I think you may have answered your own question: "But that requires very soft coins". No?
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Degio Regular user It took me years to get to 152 Posts |
Sure.
But what about borrowing 3 coins? No way to perform a 3 coins vanish then? I cannot believe it... |
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Joshua Barrett Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 3631 Posts |
2 retentions, you can add a change over in between and use both hands like Kainoa, then use a dingle silent steal or the variants for the stack.
If your talking about borrowed coins that almost always means quarters. Hell you could pocket ditch one before you start and get one ahead and go a bluff vanish. have you studied any coin magic because I'm getting the sense you trying to take a test without study. |
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Mobius303 Inner circle Lakewood, Ohio 1309 Posts |
Misty Like a Dream from Gary Kurtz videos and book has some great ideas for the 3 coin vanish sequence.
If you want to borrow quarters there are a number of things you can do. It is putting together the sequence you enjoy performing and then making it entertaining that is the hard part. Nobody mentioned Long Gone Silver from Chris Kenner yet either. Another great 3 coin vanish without gimmicks. I also did not see any mention of the Williamson routines with 3 coins that are excellent and well thought out. I do not like certain aspects of Silver Dream but the ideas for that routine can also be found in Coin 2 from Homer Liwag who also credits both Chris Kenner and Troy Hooser for that routines initial idea. If I recall Silver Dream was created after seeing Homer do his routine and a different sequence was thought out by Miller who then published it with credit to Homer, Troy and Chris. The 3 coin vanish is a long road with many turns and twists which makes it a fun coin problem to work on. Kinoa has a number of routines in print as well as on video that are well worth checking out as well. I also recall Troy mentioning Johnny Ace Palmer as one of the guys who has a great 3 coin vanish sequence. I do not know if his routine is in print though. You have some good suggestions so far in this thread. keep at it. |
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Degio Regular user It took me years to get to 152 Posts |
Thanks Mobius303, great suggestions.
I will definitely look into that. I leave in Europe, so (fortunately) we can borrow 2EUR coins and do some decent stuff here. And to answer Joshua: yes I have been doing coin magic for years, definitely at amateurial level, but at a decent level. I was looking for a solution to a very specific problem: avoiding any coin "talking" when 3 coins (non soft) are palmed in a sequence of 3 coins vanishes (no sleeving, no pocketing). You may argue: why so many limitations? Well... just for fun... Thanks again to all!! |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On May 14, 2018, Jonathan Townsend wrote: Even a finger ring held at the fingertips.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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countrymaven Inner circle 1426 Posts |
Think of using a split coin and a Bertram/Sankey false count to show three as two. then use any complete vanish for the split coin.
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countrymaven Inner circle 1426 Posts |
I APOLOGIZE I MEANT TO SHOW "TWO AS THREE"
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carlyle Regular user 166 Posts |
Not a very good joke, but you could have a 2 euro coin with a [ in your pocket. Borrow 3 coins, offering to make them vanish - and just put them in your pocket ("Gone!"). Take out one coin and your [ coin as three, and you'd be a step or two ahead (would require a pocket, but not during the trick itself).
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dj Inner circle 1177 Posts |
"""I APOLOGIZE I MEANT TO SHOW "TWO AS THREE"Â
""" See "Punishment" by Jim Pace: https://youtu.be/ce5vNIsCBB8 Darko |
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Degio Regular user It took me years to get to 152 Posts |
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See "Punishment" by Jim Pace: Wow! This looks truly amazing! |
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