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dschmunis New user Hillsboro, OR 91 Posts |
Hi all,
Just starting to learn and practice the side steal. Kinda getting the mechanics down but every time I take the card out of the deck, I get a little "click" which is a total give away. Any advice on how to prevent this? Also, as the card goes into my palm should it be pushed up into the palm or held flat? D. |
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SimonCard Special user 601 Posts |
Which technique? Don't bend the card before it clears the deck.
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Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts |
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On May 17, 2018, dschmunis wrote: Hi D., I obviously don't know what source you are using to learn the sleight but Paul Cummins's superb DVD The Side Steal Declassified is absolutely brilliant. Paul's DVD answers virtually any question you might have concerning the sleight. I realize this may not be the answer you were looking for but, the Cummins DVD is really worth the purchase. Best, "Vlad" |
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dschmunis New user Hillsboro, OR 91 Posts |
SiminCard, reading Giobbi's Card College and Marlo's Revolutionary Card Technique
Vlad_77 thank you for the reminder. Got the DVD a while back... will take a look! D |
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Rachmaninov Inner circle 1076 Posts |
You have the best references here with Giobbi, Marlo and Cummins.
For the click, the card must be removed perfectly parallel to the deck. Very often, learners of the sleight begin to lift the card up to the top of the deck while the card is still partly in the deck, which causes the click. |
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fonda57 Inner circle chicago 3078 Posts |
If you push the card into palm position you will hear no click. You can also cover the click by talking yourself
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ugdini13 Loyal user Chino,Ca 259 Posts |
One tip I heard for controlling the card to the top during the Side Steal, was to try and move the deck away from the card and not the card away from the deck. I also recommend the Cummins DVD for a visual as well as Lance Pierce's thoughts on it from his Lecture Notes
Kelly
"Perfection is in the details, but detail is no Perfection"-Dai Vernon
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
Ds, you're really getting around up here...
I'm just a decent-at-best coin guy, but I have played around with the cards a little as well. The SS is one of the moves I really like, and use a lot in a few card tricks. It's a great way to get a selected card secretly to the top while appearing lost in the deck. When you do this good, it is a killer control move. As to the sound thing...you've gotten a lot of good advice already, but pulling the card out straight is key. Any such sound can also be masked by ambient sounds or talking/pattering as fonda suggests. Also, I think just continuing through the move into the next thing you do with the cards, like shuffling the deck also helps. I typically go from making the move and immediately going into an overhand shuffle or you can simply dribble the cards down upon the deck. The totality of it all overwhelms any second of random sound...honestly, it is lost in the moments without revelation. But of course, the way to lessen it best is to practice it right, and so extracting that card smoothly out of the deck, helps to deaden any little noise made, tremendously. *Also, when that card is extracted, it is not palmed (unless that's what you are aiming to do), but as you say should "lay flat(ly)" so it can be immediately replaced upon the top of the deck. The SS is a wonderful old move, and sure cuts-to-the-chase as to getting the card where you need it to be.
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dschmunis New user Hillsboro, OR 91 Posts |
Hi all, thank you for all the wonderful information.
Ugdini13, I like the idea of moving the deck away. I've been trying doing 1/2 and 1/2: moving the card a bit to the LEFT (yes, I'm a lefty! ) and the deck a bit to the right... much better! D |
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kShepher Elite user Washington, DC 470 Posts |
This is demonstrated in Roberto Giobbi's Penguin Lecture #2. The way he does it.. there is no way a click would be involved.
This is an excellent lecture. The guy is so educated and smart. He's a gift to us mere mortals. |
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Yowie_ New user 59 Posts |
I think you've already got the best references for the classic side steal, but I want to suggest another similar move that may interest you - Akira Fujii's Sidewinder.
It's not an easy move and pretty knacky but really a beautiful thing to (not) see. It can't exactly replace the side steal - but is perhaps worth a look as an alternative for certain scenarios. |
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Rachmaninov Inner circle 1076 Posts |
For the moving card or deck, or partly both, it depends on the outer reality you want to convey. For a squaring action, only the right hand moves (with the card). If there is a larger movement to cover the move, for exemple both hands swing to the left, or the entire body turn to the left, the half the deck move / half the card move is the best way.
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Rajat Mittal New user London 98 Posts |
In addition to the excellent suggestions above, I find that having relaxed hands results in minimal noise if there is any due to imperfect execution (and of course looks more natural all round).
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Ado Inner circle New York City 1033 Posts |
Mb pointed out the key thing: the side steal is NOT a palm. Don't palm the card. Let it hang in the air parallel to the floor, between your thumb and ring finger (or whatever grip you use for the top right corner), and put it back on top of the deck.
P! |
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kShepher Elite user Washington, DC 470 Posts |
Ado nailed it. Giobbi stresses to do as Ado described.
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SimonCard Special user 601 Posts |
It depends. Side steal can surely be used as a palm.
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
Just gotta say this here as this is something my uncle would say to us in a somewhat similar circumstance.
So, it would go like this... "It depends. Side steal can surely be used as a palm." And he would say (all Marine Corp, 6'5", 250 lbs of him), "Well, a hammer could be used as a doorstop, but that's not what it's for, Mister!"
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SimonCard Special user 601 Posts |
Marlo's two second side steal and technical side steal are very efficient ways to palm a card from the middle of the deck.
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Alex Day Regular user 155 Posts |
You need to steal it into Palm. Your right needs to do more work. Plus your third of the left should push it into retaining. Try angling the card. Don't tell me you are worried about a small fapping noise? It's probably an experienced magician that's groning at you. After a while magicians think the cards should never make noise. Use the watch winder when you use the side steal. Then see what they think.lol
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kShepher Elite user Washington, DC 470 Posts |
Giobbi goes out of his way to stress it is ..not..palmed. It is below the palm.
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