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Rachmaninov Inner circle 1076 Posts |
And for me, if you want a neat control, there is far better methods than the pass, especially if you don't delay it (check Erdnase advice). Since everybody know that you control the card, to my mind, the best controls are the one in which you do absolutely nothing. I'm using only multi layered and multi phases methods of control, at first in an act so spectators who have high attention at this moment can allay their suspicions after seeing nothing happen. When they know you can't control cards, they relax their attention, they give up on this very fast, and so you can use passes, side steal …
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Rachmaninov Inner circle 1076 Posts |
In this last case, control of a card is becoming a side magical effect in itself, but buried in the whole effect. And after a while in the act, it is becoming implicit.
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Magic-Daniel Inner circle Denmark 1328 Posts |
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On Apr 19, 2009, Caliban wrote: Yeah, Jamy Ian Swiss needs to work on his pass ;-) |
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rgemagic New user uk 55 Posts |
Like any move. It's only bad if done badly
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lord_wallmotto Loyal user 291 Posts |
I have seen some "top" pros do their pass in performance and a lot of the times it looks like a minor earth quake going on down there even if you can't see what happens. It is impressive, but not invisible from a "he did not do anything!" - perspective.
I mean, its one thing to do it perfect one time in front of a camera with absolutely no pressure and an unlimited amount of retakes and a completely different thing do to it at a walk around gig with people standing everywhere, some skeptic who just burns your hands even though the rest of the group enjoy your performance, sweaty hands, a bit of nerves etc. Just look at the Kaufman tape. It is a good pass, but it is filmed in a no pressure situation from THE PERFECT angle. How often do you get that in real life? |
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Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts |
Please, for the love of god, don't look at the Kaufman tape.
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evikshin Special user 893 Posts |
The pass can be the worst sleight ever--FOR some individuals. There are many variants of the pass, some more angle proof, some more suited for certain performing conditions than others.
Also, just because we magicians can spot it (because we know what to look for), doesn't mean laypeople can. If you can use a pass consistently in performance and NOT have laypeople catch it or even suspect it (which is just as bad), your pass is good. |
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Rachmaninov Inner circle 1076 Posts |
You are right, but again, most of the time, people will say nothing if they see or even suspect something.
Let's face it, most of our moves are not so good : we would never do those movements if we would'nt cheat… |
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Magic-Daniel Inner circle Denmark 1328 Posts |
In the hands of magicians who understand sleight of hand and have their techniques down, the pass (and it's variants) is absolutely some of the best tools in card magic. Period.
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ImpromptuBoy Special user Toronto, Canada 898 Posts |
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On Jan 28, 2017, Magic-Daniel wrote: Agreed! If you have the technique down cold, there's no reason for anyone to suspect anything happened. The whole move takes 1 second to perform. If anyone is uncomfortable performing it in full view, a GREAT variation of the pass is Ed Marlo's table edge pass. The dirty work is done at the edge of the table, and the deck comes again into full view as you square it up on the table |
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Ado Inner circle New York City 1033 Posts |
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On Jan 24, 2017, Magic-Daniel wrote: Interestingly, your message predates my experience (and that of many others) at Magifest by a a few day... Embarrassing is the right word to use; audience members were leaving the room one after the other during the performance :/ P! |
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Magic-Daniel Inner circle Denmark 1328 Posts |
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On Jan 29, 2017, Ado wrote: Yes, unfortunately I had to do the same at his lecture in London earlier this month. Couldn't watch it till the end. But hopefully you saw Ben Earl also and him taking sleight of hand and naturalness to a whole new level☺ |
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Richard Kaufman Inner circle 2532 Posts |
Whenever I do magic for laymen, I use the Pass multiple times. All they see is magic, no technique. And the magic they see cannot be accomplished as cleanly using any other method.
I'm not in practice the way I used to be before becoming the editor of Genii, however I still did it a bunch of times for magicians who asked at the Magi-Fest last week. When I hit a good one they're pretty impressed. |
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Dorian Rhodell Inner circle San Francisco, CA. 1633 Posts |
Hi Richard, I remember when you were hitting that pass pretty good at Larry's house all those years ago...1996, 97 or so.
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
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On Apr 26, 2004, turnerhooch wrote: how can there be a more deceptive way than you doing nothing, yet something happened? that's magic, baby!!! I do the pass all the time and really enjoy the nothingness that it allows. However, I don't promote the Pass as an end-all, be-all. What sleight you use has to do with context. It seems these days, especially with coin workers, speed and dexterity have taken center stage. And to that I say... "I saw you flash. Saw you flash again. And again... and again" That's not magic. That's some guy who looked like he worked on a bunch of sleights for a long time ... except he's flashing.
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Magic-Daniel Inner circle Denmark 1328 Posts |
I have never ever heard a real world performer who is a master of sleight of hand and the pass, say, "whats the deal with pass?. One of the worst sleights? ". I only hear those comments from magicians who don't master the pass.
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lord_wallmotto Loyal user 291 Posts |
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On Feb 5, 2017, Magic-Daniel wrote: You never master the pass, the pass masters you. |
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Richard Kaufman Inner circle 2532 Posts |
You can master the Pass, however it takes daily practice. If you don't use it, you lose it. Not only do you have to practice every day, you must eventually reach a point where you're not thinking about it. And in all of that you have to make sure that your technique doesn't wander.
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Hookem New user 85 Posts |
There are several effects I do that require a pass. No other sleight would work. That said, I agree with the OP that a pass is unnecessary for controlling a single card. You can do a side steal under people's noses and they won't suspect a thing.
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ASW Inner circle 1879 Posts |
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On Feb 3, 2017, Richard Kaufman wrote: How fascinating.
Whenever I find myself gripping anything too tightly I just ask myself "How would Guy Hollingworth hold this?"
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