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Ricardo Delgado Loyal user 230 Posts |
Screws and nails have similar pourposes, but need different tools to be properly used.
Each form of control is a different tool. I don't believe there is a "one fits all". There is a lot of different variables in place to say such and such control does not work or does not fool people. One of those is in what situation (or context) the move is applied. But presentation, patter, movement, emphasis, empathy, and so on, are also other things that may influence the perception of the spectators. |
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AsL Special user 680 Posts |
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On Jun 9, 2018, Ricardo Delgado wrote: Very well said! But with that being said, I do believe most performers have a favorite control. Whether it's personal satisfaction executing a technical sleight, the easiness of it, or something else, I've discovered that most active performers have a favorite control. AsL |
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AsL Special user 680 Posts |
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On Jun 9, 2018, liamwilson1125 wrote: I should make a small correction: These controls are (normally) used to control a card to the bottom of the deck. |
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jim ferguson Veteran user Ayrshire, Scotland 386 Posts |
To shuffle after the Pass totally negates the move in the first place.
If you're going to shuffle anyway, then doing the pass first is totally pointless and a waste of time. The whole point in the Pass is that nothing (no cutting, shuffling, or manoeuvre) has taken place. Jim |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
And I always thought that the whole point of the pass is to prove(?) that you're really losing the selected card by shuffling - either without doing a pass or after the pass. As usual - to each his own. You do what works for you - and never, ever, would I say that what you're doing is pointless. To be clear - it may be pointless to ME, but not to YOU. I have 80 years of experience/knowledge? doing card magic and I would never tell you what works for YOU - unless you ASKED ME.
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Incidentally, the above two posts kinda' tells exactly why I never bothered using a pass (classic, dribble, or other) to lose(?) the selected card. I don't do many "pick a card" effects but when I do be assured that my audiences have no doubt that their selection is hopelessly lost in the deck. That's 80 years of experience talking.
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jim ferguson Veteran user Ayrshire, Scotland 386 Posts |
Hi Harry.
Just to be clear, my post was in response to heavyspirits assertion that the cards "MUST be shuffled after the Pass", and not in any way aimed at your use of the Jog Shuffle (which you do extremely well). Regarding heavyspirits comment (and in the context of this thread) - if you are using the pass as a control to say the top of the deck, to then shuffle the cards negates the pass. If you are going to shuffle, then you may as well forget the pass and bring the card to the top during the shuffle. That is what I meant when I said it was pointless to do the pass then shuffle. Jim |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Agreed.
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Oh, thought I'd better mention this --- I do use the Bluff Pass. As a matter of fact I open my ACR with it. And I've added a touch or two to it, which makes it much better/stronger in my opinion. It's just that I simply never included the Bluff Pass with other "real" passes.
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Ricardo Delgado Loyal user 230 Posts |
I think that, in some cases, combining methods can make more difficult for the spectators to "trace back" or "reconstruct" what you did.
And I believe both of you disagree about the combo "Pass + Shuffle" because you are imagining it (or using it) in different contexts. If a "perfect" pass is executed, then people will (or at least should) believe you just put their card in the middle of the deck somewhere. Considering a "pick a card" trick' from there, there are two ways to use the shuffle: immediately after the pass or after a "pause". If immediately after the pass, there is a chance someone will believe the card was in the middle, but that some how you've controlled it with the shuffle. That person will be wrong, but at that point a "possible solution" already formed in his mind. If he has a solution and can't, by himself, arrive at the conclusion something impossible happened, then the illusion is lost. If, on the other hand, there is a "pause" of some kind between the two sleights, it ca be very difficult to reconstruct the timeline. This pause can be droping the deck to the table for a moment after the pass and before the shuffling. Or to dribble the cards on to the table to show there are no breaks. Leaving the cards on the table creates a moment where you could not have been controling the cards. With the shuffle you are controling the card that is on the top, but the expectation is that you are controling a card from the middle of the deck, which is probably lost since you dropped the cards at a certain point. That said, context is very important: "Pass + Shuffle" combo ina a pick a card trick can be a good thing. "Pass + Shuffle" in a ACR is a very very very poor method. (My opinion is that all the impossibility of the ACR is lost with this combination). |
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Ricardo Delgado Loyal user 230 Posts |
It depends on the trick though.
Shuffling makes no sense on the ACR, for instance. |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Oh, and "spreading" was mentioned above - reminded me that I do use and have used the spread pass. I've written about my "delayed" spread pass (Reputation-Makers section of Lorayne: The Classic Collection, Vol. 2, I believe - too lazy to go check it at the momnent - and I taught a few uses for it in APOCALYPSE.
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
One more quick thought - I also occasionally use the top-card cover pass. I've written about a couple of uses for that in a couple of my books.
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Rainboguy Inner circle 1915 Posts |
I know this may sound ridiculous to some (or many) of you...BUT.....my favorite control is a false cut.
When I met Tony Slydini at the Faucett Ross Magic Fest in June, 1983, he told me that I had the best false cut he had ever seen in his life, which was quite the honor. After the spectator takes their card, table the deck, have the spectator drop their card on top, do the false cut, and you are setup for a million different miracles. |
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obrienmagic Special user 752 Posts |
I usually use the DUC to control a card to the top, but some situatuons call for other methods such as top change, tilt, and even perpendicular palm.
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liamwilson1125 New user 90 Posts |
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On Jun 12, 2018, obrienmagic wrote: You just remind me a control (not mine) I did about 15 years ago. I would do in-hand riffle shuffle right after getting a break above the selection to bring it to the top. |
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Terrible Wizard Inner circle 1973 Posts |
I keep things super simple:
OHS in-jog control Diagonal insertion to DU and shuffle Or use a gaff card, like a breather or short Or put a quick cr*mp in their card and then let them shuffle it The 'most perfect control' (is my tongue in cheek?) is to let them take any card they want from the deck in their own hands, then return it however they want while the magi doesn't look, then to shuffle it anyway they choose, then put it on the table - the magi never touches it at all. Although this can be done and the magi know the card, or be able to instantly locate the card, I haven't yet found a way (except the two obvious and risky ways) to ensure the card is then at the top ... Suggestions? |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
I'm including some items in my upcoming book, AND FINALLY!, that have been requested by magicians all over the world. One of those is my Best Impromptu Linking Card effect. Obviously, the people who have been performing it for decades (since my original publication of it) won't need that reminder - although I always add a touch or two when re-writing/updating an effect or routine.
You can simply skip that item - there will be about seventy other items to learn.
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Ricardo Delgado Loyal user 230 Posts |
Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wg8h3QyOps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPFIh97l22c I think these are pretty awesome Passes and that, depending on the trick (even for some 'pick a card, return to the deck and find the card' trick) don't need the pack to be shuffled after. I can agree to the notion that "no-movement" control is a better name than "invisible" control. But the examples above are pretty darn close! For example: a trick where they pick a card, give it back, pass to the top, palm, leave the deck on the table, produce the card from the pocket IS more impressive than the same thing with a shuffle afterwards. Why? Because I think is easier for the spectators to suspect you are controlling the cards while you are shuffling them than when you 'apparently did nothing'. And that's way we hear phrases like "I'll never play poker with you." or "Let me shuffle". Especially this las one! They have so little trust in a magician shuffling the cards they want to do it themselves just to be sure! As for the traditions of the early part of the last century, yes, we can learn a lot from them. But things evolve! And that includes "The Pass"! There are a LOT of variations on it, most of them didn't exist at that time! |
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Terrible Wizard Inner circle 1973 Posts |
Ricardo:
"Let me shuffle". True. But they also, in the exact same way, want to pick the card and return in in their own way and in their own hands too. Something has to give. We either control the pick, the return, or the shuffle. IMHO |
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