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shaunluttin Special user 759 Posts |
A friend of mine filmed this today at the Ferry Terminal in beautiful Salt Spring Island. It was unscheduled and fun.
Here is a 29-minute live performance of mine: https://youtu.be/lq2Rj1uf05M I used to be quite sensitive to criticism; I am much less so now; so, please do criticize my technique, presentation, and posts. It helps me to grow, and I promise to take responsibility and not to be defensive. |
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JoeHohman Special user Erie 706 Posts |
Shaun, you did great!
I appreciate the crediting --- but I am a magician. I suppose that if I knew I were being filmed, I would be more tempted to give credit where credit is due; but on the other hand, you shouldn't be compelled to give credit. You might have told him "Years of practice" "A mis-spent youth" "A bargain I made with the devil gave me these extraordinary super powers --- but my powers are limited to cards" But those are all smart-aleck replies. Anyway, you did great! |
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lynnef Inner circle 1407 Posts |
Unscheduled and fun. Need to do more of it myself! Love it. Thanx. Lynn
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camron Regular user 160 Posts |
Very well executed, but instead of the onlooker saying don't tell how it was done, don't want to know etc. etc.... How do we leave the impression that it's done by actual magic and not by manipulation of the cards? That's what I picked up on. The response should've been "there's no way, that's impossible, he's david blaine!!"
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Ricardo Delgado Loyal user 230 Posts |
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On Jun 20, 2018, camron wrote: Putting it simple: We don't. |
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camron Regular user 160 Posts |
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On Jun 20, 2018, Ricardo Delgado wrote: Cool. Derren Brown, P&T, David Blaine, Tommy Wonder and my teacher to name a few and all the other great MAGICIANS are/were creating that experience. As magicians I thought we were supposed to be doing magic... The "Café" apparently is just full of a bunch Gob's... This isn't trolling either... I remember what my teacher told me to expect before I went to my 1st and LAST convention... And sure enough here I was sitting with "magicians", who didn't even know the basics of the craft... Buncha Gob's Good "trick"... |
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camron Regular user 160 Posts |
I shouldn't have insulted Gob... Compared to most of the tricksters on the "Café", he's Robert-Houdin.....
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lynnef Inner circle 1407 Posts |
A color change which is produced by just a wave of the hand looks like "real" magic to me. ie. the wave of the hand is very important. Lynn
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Magic-Daniel Inner circle Denmark 1328 Posts |
This was good. If you compare it to the very best (which I think you should) , it is lacking though.
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kShepher Elite user Washington, DC 470 Posts |
Thanks for posting this. Very magical. You inspired me to read about color changes, something I have not explored yet. I am now practicing Vernon's Svengali Change, but using two cards because of your post.
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Ricardo Delgado Loyal user 230 Posts |
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On Jun 20, 2018, camron wrote: I didn't mean to offend you. Sorry. I was just answering your question with what I think it's right. (it's just a point of view, there is no need to be so sensitive about it. My point of view can even be changed if I'm convinced something is not right with it. So there's no need to begin calling other people names) I'll explain my opinion. I don't believe that in the context presented (very informal setting + just laughing with friends + in a parking lot + in the google era + just with a sequence of color changes) it's possible to make people believe "Real Magic" occurred. That's it. That's my whole opinion on this. Just to be clear, Shaun, that doesn't diminish anything you did. You are good! I believe there are some problems in thinking we can/should create a magical belief on spectators. I know the masters you mentioned don't really talk about that, but bear with me for some paragraphs, because I think their actions can also make sense from my perspective. 1) The sum of all of the characteristics of the context (the ones listed above) is the first part of the problem. It's very, very difficult (if not impossible) to create a magical belief (or feeling) just with that setting. It's not the individual parts that create the difficulty, but their conjunction. I don't remember seeing those masters "creating that experience" on that exact same setting. 2) I think we shouldn't expect the average person to believe in "Reaoul Magic" (especially in the google/smartphone era). Yes, I know people believe in the strangest things. And here comes those annoying questions: why people would believe some cards changing for one another is a supernatural happening (especially if it's happening on the hands of a magician)? why would magic be limited to cards? if you can do magic, why to change some cards into some other cards? etc. 3) We shouldn't strive for a belief in magic. That is even morally dubious. Do you really want people to believe you have supernatural powers? Is that what any of those magicians you mentioned want their spectators to believe? Especially P&T! There are a lot of examples where they are really clear saying what you are seeing is not real. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBdF1nl_cVU I'm completely amused watching this. I watched it several times. I don't know how it's done. I freaking love it. But do you think any of those people that were there watching really believe that is a "miracle", a "real magical phenomenon" or even a "strange power Teller have"? And even, do you think P&T wanted people to believe all of that was real? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVfbn3Go-M8 "Most memorization acts are magic tricks. They are lies. And we don't mind telling you that. Because Teller and I believe is morally wrong to do things on stage that are really dangerous. It makes the audience complicit in an unnecessary human risk." That's a quote from the presentation. And I believe that is the key: they don't want you to believe. They want you to feel (in their case, they want you to feel it in your guts!) for that moment, while you're watching, that what you are seeing is magic (or risky, or amazing, or impossible...). Feel, not belief. And on top of all of that, there is this paradox: if people believe real magic can happen, why should they be impressed if you perform something that is, in theory, possible? In a world where magic is believed to be something possible and that magicians can do it, then our craft is nothing more than something people can do (which can be amazing). That is, magic would be on par with extreme athletes, talented painters or virtuous musicians, nothing impossible, just some very developed skill. In that case, the magical belief/feeling would be substituted for a common (but not necessarily unimportant) sense of admiration. I don't think that is what we are striving for, is it? Yes, I'm not a native speaker and write in a strange way. I hope I was clear enough to transmit my opinion. And I really like discussions were arguments are not based solely on authority or attacking. Discussions really make me think about magic, and make me grow. |
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Terrible Wizard Inner circle 1973 Posts |
What is a Gob? Why are most of us Gobs? Confused???
Also, I agree with Ricardo - who on earth thinks card tricks are real magic? |
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Magic-Daniel Inner circle Denmark 1328 Posts |
Ricardo and Terrible wizard:
. You don't think too highly of magic as an art it seems. |
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Magic-Daniel Inner circle Denmark 1328 Posts |
Go and see Tony Chang perform his color change for laymen and lets talk about magic being real again.
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Terrible Wizard Inner circle 1973 Posts |
Lol - so because I don't believe that anyone believes card tricks are real magic I don't think highly of the artform? Seriously?
Can you provide a video clip of a card trick so strong that it will convince most spectators it is real magic? I don't believe one exists anywhere, but I'll give you chance to provide the evidence. |
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Terrible Wizard Inner circle 1973 Posts |
And can I just say that I'm always impressed with the serious effort Shaun puts into magic. Kudos to him.
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kShepher Elite user Washington, DC 470 Posts |
Why does every thread get hijacked by ego and idiocy?
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Terrible Wizard Inner circle 1973 Posts |
Because this is a forum for magicians on the Internet. Magicians. Internet. Have you encountered magicians? Have you been on the Internet? Ego and idiocy?
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Ricardo Delgado Loyal user 230 Posts |
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On Jun 22, 2018, Magic-Daniel wrote: I do think highly of magic. I just don't see how my opinion diminishes the art or the work of masters in any way. Also, I think it's good to question things. Not in detriment of what other people think, but in order to build an understanding of the motivation behind what are the "rules" or general theory of this art. And then see if they are applicable to our time, our individual context, etc. I'm looking for Tony Chang's videos. Didn't had a lot of contact with his work. Found an interview. Very interesting. Thanks! If you have some video you'd like to share I'm very interested! |
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Magic-Daniel Inner circle Denmark 1328 Posts |
It seems both of you think magic can't be more than just "a trick", which couldn't be further from the truth. When it becomes more, then it has the potentiel to be art.
Shaun did great in the video. He pulled of some not that easy to do sleight of hand and got a nice magical sequence. But just film Tony Chang in the same surroudings doing his CC. Or Elliot Tarrel doing his version of the Erdnase Color change. Than you are not watching a sleight. You are just watching a card change. |
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