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A variation of Gary Ouellete's Three Second Wonder:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdFx2otX4Dk

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You might even want to check out my variarions on Three Second Wonder (Four Second Wonder) - way back in Apocalypse and in recent books. Always with proper credit to Gary - who was a personal friend.
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On Jul 17, 2018, Rachmaninov wrote:
I have two little problems with double take. First, the spectator doesn’t cut the first packet. And secondly, I don’t like the bluff thing of turning the ace on the wrong packet, even with the pause. It’s nice but the first time I saw this bluff, I didn’t know that subterfuge at that time, but it was blatant to me there was a discrepancy.

I really love the Darko one. It’s still fooling me. It’s so clean.

Thankfully, Laymen disagree. The discrepancy is not noticed because there is nothing to notice. They don't know they are cutting to aces. They don't know the effect. When You turn over the first two aces they are delighted and intrigued. When you turn over the next two, they are amazed.
If they care one iota about the packets- you're doing something wrong.
Harry Lorayne, Gary Ouellet, Fr. Cyprian, Shigeo Takagi, Dai Vernon, new/know this.
It is important to study why these titans of closeup magic do what they do and teach what they teach before eschewing their methods because something seems obvious to you.
No offense intended here.
Just trying to help.
Double Take has been a pet trick of mine for many years.
And that first cut by the magician is crucial to the Magic.
Judge it too quickly, and you'll be missing out on a gem. Which, of course, is just fine by me Smile
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Other, good "spectator cuts the aces" can be found on the Joshua Jay's Talk About Magic DVD Vol.2 :

Breakless Aces (Patrick Stenberg):

Spectator cuts the pack into four piles. Aces are immediately revealed on top of all four piles. Like Josh says, the explanation is complex but the actual method is simple. Excellent little ace reveal, and easy to perform.


Cutting Off Colors (David Jade):

Another ace reveal from spectator's four packets, but they are shown to be different colored backs. Not as flourishy sa "Breakless Aces", but the back change is a nice kicker ending. Simple sleights.


No Use Aces (David Jade / Damien Vapereau):

Named as such because it uses an angly, difficult sleight to produce aces on top of 4 spectator cut packets.




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At 20:38, this version looks good: http://youtu.be/R8v6_Tve3l4
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Bill Goodwin's "Spectator Cuts the Aces" also looks very strong:
https://www.artofmagic.com/products/spectator-cuts-the-aces


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Just good sense tells me that if I have noticed something, others will too. Again, you would be very surprised how some intelligent and observant people can see and understand. Granted, they are far and between, but there is some who will notice that the aces come from the same packets. Even with the pause and the retroactive picture of each ace on each packet.
But again, it’s a beautiful method, I like it a lot.
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Magic fish,
I disagree with your post. If they care about the packets, it’s because you would have done your job right, because it is the effect ! Otherwise you have a production of the four aces, which is right, but it’s not the same effect.
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Wonderful method by Godwin, as usual !
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Magic fish,
I disagree with your post. If they care about the packets, it’s because you would have done your job right, because it is the effect ! Otherwise you have a production of the four aces, which is right, but it’s not the same effect.

You couldn't be more wrong sir. How many times have you performed Double Take for laymen?
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Rachmaninov: Something to bear in mind is that everyone has a video camera now. Have you ever had someone ask you at the end of a show if "this video I just found on YouTube" was the secret to one of your tricks? It happens. Not so much with cards, because the search phrases are weird, but "cut rope trick," "everflowing water jug trick" -- you get the idea.

Point being, it's worth considering how you can fortify your tricks against the camera. Consider how Ben Seidman performs The Hold Up, compared to Tommy Wonder. Seidman looks stiff by comparison, but there are no camera flashes. Wonder relied on "direction," and you can't direct a camera.

That's why it is so important to study Tamariz. He's been on television more than any card magician ever, so his routines are structured to survive against the camera. Effects with big discrepancies might be total miracles in the right performance situation. But those situations are becoming more rare, and probably include almost no paid work. Even the Castle films.

One solution by the way is to be totally fine with being busted. Johnny Ace Palmer: "The magic doesn't happen until I touch the cups. That's sleight of hand." If it isn't a contest, people won't want to bust you.
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Oh, and I teach the Double Take concept in a different routine in my upcoming book, AND FINALLY! (Thanks for the plug opportunity!) There are about 66 other effects/routines in the book, Rachmaninov, so even if you don't "use" that one, plenty more that you'll just love.
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Yes Aaron, it has happened to me one time. It was an out of this world routine (based on one of yours Harry !). I’ve added some personal touches, especially for the revelation. Someone told me he has seen the explanation on YouTube. I’m pretty sure he has not understood everything but he knew the basic trick so the mystery was not present anymore. I didn’t want to show him that the video was not sufficient to be able to do the routine I had done. There is nothing to do in this case. I remember having said that the inventor was an American magician, Paul Curry, and that it was a considered as one of the best card trick of the 20 th century by Dai Vernon, another famous magician. So I had switched the little conversation toward history so the guy can grasp the respect he should have for this.
Most of the time, when people told me they know how a trick is done, especially if it is a trick by Copperfield, Blaine or another magic star, I told them « of course, with a little research on internet, you can find nearly anything. Thing is the difficult part is to do it deceptively and maybe artistically. It’s like hearing a Paganini virtuoso piece. Of course you can find the score and discover which notes have to be played. Being able to play it well is an entire matter !
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Aaron, you are right, camera is very tough to deceive. It reminds me Bernard Bilis saying that when he is palming and ditching cards in his pockets, it is invisible for the table for which he is performing, but people behind can see everything. He just doesn’t care.
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Harry, I’m late in my Lorayne buying schedule ! I need jaw droppers and the collection Vol 2 to 5. But for now, my money goes for building a house. I have to wait a little !
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Shigeo Takagi´s "Spectator Cuts the Aces:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gasE6IIfCvY


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On Jul 20, 2018, dj wrote:
Bill Goodwin's "Spectator Cuts the Aces" also looks very strong:
https://www.artofmagic.com/products/spectator-cuts-the-aces


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I picked this up (the price was right!) It's interesting and teaches a utility move that has lots of other applications. I'm not quite sure it suits my personal needs... I'll have to practice a bit and see how it looks. It certainly flew right by me when watching the demo.

Does anyone know where the version that Gregory Wilson performs in the video above is published?
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[quote]On Jul 21, 2018, Last Laugh wrote:
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Does anyone know where the version that Gregory Wilson performs in the video above is published?


Pyrotechnic Pasteboards DVD.



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