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jstreiff Special user 701 Posts |
As has been said, you can do an amazing show with the classics.
John
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Tim Cavendish Inner circle 1404 Posts |
Bob Cassidy's essay/recommended book list, The 39 Steps to Mentalism, is freely available for reading here:
https://www.lybrary.com/thirtynine-steps-mentalism-a-10.html |
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Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4187 Posts |
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On Aug 24, 2018, ed wood wrote: I wouldn’t take too much notice of this statement as it’s not based on fact. I use a lot of Peter Turner’s material in the real world and find the vast majority of it extremely practical. His very early work such as devious realities and dare to be bold may be less so but pretty much everything Pete has released in the last 5 years is pretty solid. On a regular basis I use his Simply overlooked, your intuition, IS 2 and IS3, Getting to know you, bold pin guess, bold phone unlock, not so bold pin guess, astronomical, PK touches, try to hypno me, book of the fallen, kick to the teeth, pigs on steroids. That’s just off the top of my head, there are other things in Pete’s work that I use occasionally but not regularly. I do agree with the recommendation for Artful Mentalism of Bob Cassidy volume 2. I would call this essential reading. I don’t have Scott Creasey’s book but I think it would be safe to recommend it based on his track record of solid clever workable material. It’s certainly on my list. Mark |
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ed wood Special user 742 Posts |
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On Aug 29, 2018, Mark_Chandaue wrote: I wouldn't take too much notice of this statement as it's also not based on fact. Just opinion, exactly the same as mine. Agree or disagree, its just plain churlish to tell people to ignore. that's the point of this place, we voice our opinions and let others make up their own minds. Im not a fan of Peter Turners work and I don't know any full time performers who use it. You are, (i believe you're also a friend of his?), good for you. Thankfully we all have different opinions as to what effects best suit us otherwise we'd all be performing the same tricks. They are though just that, opinions. No one persons is more valid than others. Here's some facts; there are full time performers out there who have made there life long income from performing mentalism. Every routine has been audience tested thousands of times, refined over decades. When we are lucky at the end of their careers these people will release some of their routines. In my opinion these releases are some of the very best and often come to be seen as classics. There are others who make their income from selling mentalism routines to magicians, often via this place. They are putting out new releases every few months. Many of these people rarely perform professionally. It is a fact these routines are not audience tested and in my opinion are not practical or particularly original. Again, in my opinion, much of Peter Turners material falls into this catagory. I think his latest release, a rework of effects from 13 steps is a perfect example of this. Let me stress one more time though, this is just my opinion, please ignore me much like my cat is currently doing......i just want to give her tickles. |
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Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4187 Posts |
Ed unlike you I have actually read ALL of Pete’s material and it is a fact that I have seen with my own two eyes Pete perform many if not most of these effects in the real world in a variety of situations including hundreds of casual performances, a stage show and a cabaret show. I have also used all of the effects that I listed above in both paid shows and casual performances. IS 3 and Try to Hypno me and the phone unlocks I have not used in paid gigs but have performed more times than I can count for real people in the real world.
So whilst your post is purely based on opinion and largely from opinion based on not having read or tried the material in the real world mine is based on genuine real world experience. As far as being a friend of Pete’s I’m a friend of a lot of people including some who’s work I hate. Find my review of Phill Smith’s birthday book, I gave a balanced review covering the bad as well as the good despite Phill being a good friend who designed my business card and did the layout and artwork for my book. I have also gone on record as saying I think Pete’s Mind Plant effect is a pile of poo. If you asked me if I’d recommend Devious Realities or even dare to be bold my answer would be no. When in Rome on the other hand and Midas touch and IS 3 I love and use the material. As far as audience tested I’ve known Pete for 6 years, the Midas touch routine he released a month or so back he first showed me, Steve Haresign and Jared Manley 6 years ago on our first meeting and it wasn’t new then. Since then I would not like to even attempt to count how many times I have seen him perform it in the real world for real people. Most of thiose have been in casual informal situation but for real laymen, however I saw him perform it in cabaret a while before Christmas and it absolutely went down a storm. Alas I did not film it myself and only got my camera out to film after the show when Pete borrowed a guitar and joined in with the singer at the venue. Footage does exist though because Pete did have someone filming. He showed me the seeds of IS3 about 4 years ago and again I’ve seen him perform that more times than I wish to count in the real world. Your perception that Pete does not perform in the real world is opinion or that he hasn’t worked or refined the material is an opinion. I have witnessed him perform this material in the real world with my own eyes and I am not alone in that so I am stating facts not opinions. I have used a fair amount of his material in the real world and I take virtually no risks in the real world. The only effect of his that I have had to adapt is Your Intuition, Pete’s version carries an element of risk that I removed to make it sure fire. Me seeing it work in the real world is fact not opinion, me using it in the real world is fact not opinion. Pete makes the vast majority of his income these days from consulting but his full time living was from performing for a long time before he ever released an effect. You only have to witness his stagecraft to see that. I performed full time for 10 years mostly cabaret and Pete is a far superior performer to me from purely a stagecraft perspective and that only comes from real world experience in front of an audience. Fraser is also a friend of mine, some of his stuff I like some I don’t, I don’t use a lot of Fraser’s stuff because it doesn’t suit me. I call it as I see it without fear or favour, always have always will. But if I don’t have actual knowledge or experience of something I tend not to call it at all! Mark |
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ed wood Special user 742 Posts |
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On Aug 29, 2018, Mark_Chandaue wrote: This is pure speculation on your behalf and thoroughly wrong. I get it you're a fan, I'm not. The fact is I don't think any of Peter Turners work is suitable for someone new to mentalism and at this point I don't believe he has created anything that will join the pantheon of the classics. Would you honestly recommend anything by Turner to a beginner mentalist over say, and I look to my bookshelf as I write this, Cassidy, Waters, Maven, Richardson, Lesley, Koran, Corinda or Annemann? After all, this is what we are discussing, books for someone new to mentalism. |
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Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4187 Posts |
Actually yes there is a fair bit I would recommend to a novice rather than a beginner in particular the pdf series. Put that in the context that I would not recommend my own book to a complete beginner despite the fact that there is nothing in my book other than the coin switch beyond the abilities of a beginner. Personally for a beginner I would recommend Bob’s Artful Mentalism volume 2 above all else including Annemann. I would recommend some of Pete’s stuff before Corinda though. I’d also recommend some of Pete’s work to a beginner before say Unreal which is a book I absolutely love. Likewise over some of Water and I loves his work and have the full set.
Someone new to Mentalism could easily get some workable simple but strong material out of When in Rome and would get a lot from the PDF series, the readings volume is particularly good. Mark |
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ed wood Special user 742 Posts |
Ok, last post on the subject of Peter Turner as this thread is about more important things.
When in Rome was a limited edition so that would be a futile recommendation. He asked for books not pdf's. Maybe one day if they truly are a classic they will be put into a book. I really do not believe Peter Turner has a book that could be recommended to a beginner. Ultimately we agree, artful mentalism 2 is the place to start. |
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Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4187 Posts |
Well the pdf series is being put into a physical book but it is a huge tome and I believe Swood is still in the process of editing so yes when it is released I may well recommend it to a beginner. An ebook is technically still a book, a lot of Water’s material is only available in pdf. Also let’s not forget this thread is about books for someone who has apparently read all of the fundamentals not a complete beginner. Whilst When in Rome may not be easily accessible I’d still recommend it for its contents. Several other books on my recommended list such as Peek Performances, Stunners Plus and Theatre of the Mind may be hard to come by, that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t recommend them.
Pick almost any author and I may not recommend all of their work to a beginner, not necessarily due to the difficulty of the material but simply because there are other books that would give more value. Again I used my own book as an example, other than the coin switch that requires a classic palm and some good timing everything is simple and practical. Nothing beyond even a complete beginner but the money would still be better spent elsewhere long before you get to mine. Same is true for many books that I love including Unreal, APOMM, Unveil, Bairn and more great books than I have time to list. Mark |
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ed wood Special user 742 Posts |
Stunners plus is an absolute classic. Such a shame its so hard to get hold of. I always thought it was a marketing ploy to sell it as limited edition and a somewhat foolish one.
Peek performances left me cold. I know this is a book that divides people, seems to be very marmite, some love it, some hate it. Think it was the writing style that bothered me. Theatre of the mind is another classic. Think this one is fairly easy to get hold of and very reasonably priced. I totally ignored unveil when it came out. People have been telling me to read it for years and I finally have a copy on the way to me as I write. Looking forward to this one. P.s. Mark, I read your book at the beginning of the year and it was an absolute delight. |
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Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4187 Posts |
Unveil is very good, Peek Performances is hard going but has some absolute gems. If you enjoyed my first book I think you will love the second if I ever finish it. Funnier than the first book and overall I like the material more. Some is the stuff I wasn’t ready to give away in the first one and a couple are a little more challenging or risky but on the whole the same practical workable kind of material as the first one because I don’t like to have to think too much in front of an audience if I can help it.
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swood Loyal user 299 Posts |
I think you may be confusing Unveil, as it was only released in May at the Mind5 convention. Manos' previous book V2 is I think a modern classic, but if we're talking beginners books then there are others that would take their place in the queue first. I would also recommend Stunners Plus and Artful Mentalism (particularly Vol 2) and many of the others mentioned. I won't single out any of Pete's work as I can't claim to be impartial but I do think some of his ideas will rightfully be thought of as classics in years to come. Whether I'd recommend it to beginners is different - but yes, some of it definitely would be suitable for all. And I also agree that Mark's book is a great read filled with wonderful ideas. It was a real treat.
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Last Laugh Inner circle Grass Valley, California 3498 Posts |
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On Aug 29, 2018, ed wood wrote: Stunners Plus is currently available as an ebook at least. https://www.lybrary.com/stunners-plus-tw......732.html
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Gumar Oz DuBar Loyal user 244 Posts |
Anything by Scryer, Webster, and the Elijah Barlow books.
I write and edit text.
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ed wood Special user 742 Posts |
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On Aug 29, 2018, swood wrote: Goodness I'm a dimwit! I meant unreal. |
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swood Loyal user 299 Posts |
Easy done. I've heard good things about Unreal as well but haven't had a chance to read it yet.
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Philemon Vanderbeck Inner circle Seattle, WA 4694 Posts |
Another book I would recommend is Lee Earle's "Syzygy." While many of the effects lean closer to the realm of "mental magic," there's a lot of good thinking about how to adapt classic methods to modern presentations.
Professor Philemon Vanderbeck
That Creepy Magician "I use my sixth sense to create the illusion of possessing the other five." |
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Chris K Inner circle 2544 Posts |
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On Aug 30, 2018, Philemon Vanderbeck wrote: Quiet you! ;-) |
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252life Inner circle Ninth Circle, Hades 3243 Posts |
I use some of Peters effects in paid performances, fairly regularly.
I understand the frustration about the others though, (Frazier, etc)and agree. Wow, thinking of what book I'd recommend to a novice mentalist...yikes. Clearly the answer is Train Tracking. (JOKE!) I think I'd lean towards Scott Creaseys latest MMM. Or, IS3. (probably falls into a single effect category, but it teaches a lot of mentalism fundamentals imo.) And toss in Reality is Plastic to cover hypnosis.
Look for all the world like you're counting the brain cells in his cranium.
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TheSecretFire Special user 597 Posts |
Prism - by Max Maven, if you haven't already read those.
And anything by Derren Brown that you can get your hands on. |
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