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Dustin Baker
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Looking for pros and cons of two hold out devices:

The Secret Servante by Scott Goodman
I understand this can be attached to a belt instead of your jacket, would that mean that I could use it with an over shirt?
Are there specific limits to what can and cannot be vanished with it (limits like a Raven has)?
Any other random thoughts you can offer on angle sensitivity, size or weight limitations, etc.

The Invisible Hand from Vernet
I've seen a couple videos on this and it looks like they're just using a vanisher - which Vernet does well, but I thought it better to get advice from the community.
Same questions would apply here. Angles? limits, etc.

Is one better than the other, are they inherently different and suited for different tasks or are they two solutions for the same question?
Anything you guys can think of is appreciated. I've had Ravens, Bats, different pull vanishers, but this is the first I'm getting into holdouts.
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Bill Hegbli
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Dustin, I have to say the Invisible hand has been discussed a lot on the Café when it cam out. So a simple search can provide some insight.

Your comment, that it is just a vanisher, brings the question up, what are you looking to accomplish with a Holdout and what it should do for you should do. The real purpose of a Gambler's Hold out is to deliver objects to the hands, such a a winning poker hand. It is mechanical and very expensive, ten times the price of The Hand.

The Hand retracts an object from your hand. It can deliver an object to your hand. With those as in the demo, you can accomplish many things. Some of these things can be accomplished in different ways then The Hand. Slight of hand, timing, misdirection with hands, body, speech, and so on.

Your next comment concerning can you use it with only a shirt. Show you do not understand the demonstration videos you watched. If you could be in a shirt, they would have performed it in a shirt.

Finally, the Hand requires a lot of practice and dedication, are you a person that would spend hours in a rig, with a dress type sport jacket or a suit practicing what you want to accomplish, constantly making adjustments until it is perfect for you.

Another device called the Topit could also be used in similar ways. Again it requires a suit jacket and dedication.

The reason a suit jacket or sport coat is best because they have multi-layered material in the design, to have a more firm material. If thinner clothing was used, a shirt would show the material moving, and some may think you have rodents crawling around on you.

A better question would be, I am looking to accomplish (fill in your desires) what is the best way or device to use to accomplish this for me. I am close-up magician, or I am a stage magician, and ease of use, or a use anytime device or method would accomplish this for me.

It is not wise to buy something, then try to find a use for it just because you spent the money. That is like buying a boat, and you hate being around the water, can't swim, or don't own a lake cottage, or have any where to store it.

Hope I have helped you in some way to understand the requirements.

The original inventor of the Hand type device, wore suits every day, that is how it was in the 1920's, 30's, and 40's, suites were very loose and baggy. No one wanted to look poor, or like a bum on the street. Today suites keep getting tighter, tighter, and look like they are to small for men. This is totally against the classic look of wearing a dress jacket.

Don't buy anything you do not have a use for, or does not meet your requirements.
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I found this post just a few posts down:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=113
Vietnam Veteran 1967, Sgt. E-5

Graduate of Chavez College of Prestidigitation and Showmanship

"Magic With A Twist Of Comedy"
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