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Peter Morrissey
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I guess this is more for the hobbiest performers more than the pros though no doubt both will have valuable info...

In stage shows, a performer will have a crowd of maybe 50, or 100 or more in which to weed out the more suggestible people.

But when performing for a small group, ten or less, how do you reliably guage who will respond and who will not?

I'm only getting back into hypnosis and so thought I'd ask. Also have the dvd the Manchurian approach I think it's called to watch. Is it any use?
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My personal opinion -

Understanding the how's and why's of hypnosis will vastly increase your "hit rate" for smaller groups. With a big group you can play numbers games, but with small groups you just have to know what you're doing.

Hypnosis is, in my opinion, simply a mode of communication. The performer uses this mode of communication to get 'suggestions' past the part of the subject's mind that says it's not real. To that end - you can adjust your mode of communication for each individual person. In a big stage show this is impractical and unwanted in general terms, but for small groups you can work with 2-5 of them to great effect. In essence, you have to approach each person as an individual and work with whatever they are giving you.

What it comes down to is taking each person who's willing and happy to participate and figuring out exactly how to guide them to the "trance state".

As for the Manchurian Approach - I am aware that many professional stage hypnotists are not fond of Anthony Jacquin's approach to hypnosis. Personally, I found his philosophies to be a good starting point. That being said, I'm not big on The Manchurian Approach and found much more value in The Trilby Connection. The Manchurian Approach is an attempt to codify 'hypnosis for magicians'. The Trilby Connection is just kind of a diary of Jacquin teaching a new student the foundations of hypnosis for entertainment.
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Hi Witch Doc,
What a wonderful reply, thank you for taking the time to write it. Very helpful indeed.i guess you do have to feel your way a little bit with smaller groups.

Would I be right in saying the more your group is convinced of your ability the easier it is from the performers point of view to pull it off.

Ps your book sounds awesome, on the to buy list when I can afford it!😊
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Yes, them believing in you will absolutely make things easier than if they don't.

There are many approaches to hypnosis, but they all benefit from being perceived as an expert. It builds trust.

Thanks for the kind words about my book.
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Why does the size of the group matter?

A good volunteer is a good volunteer.
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I was thinking the same thing but didn't reply as he was asking hobbyists.

Why would you think a small group would be different from a larger group? A good subject is a good subject.


Also, I am wondering why you would be asking hobbyists as most of them don't know or are trying to figure it out themselves.
Btw, what really is an amateur or hobbyist hypnotist anyway?
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What I'm wondering is if you're 'just just getting back into hypnosis', why would you be asking such basic questions?
I presume you've hypnotised volunteers before?
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I'm asking hobby performers as they would not be dealing with large groups who are already invested in what you are doing as they have paid to see you and are probably prone to suggestion from the off.

I would imagine getting a more compliant person is easier in this situation as opposed to a perhaps impromtu situation with a smaller group who are NOT already half way there? I assume this is tougher? Makes sense?No?
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Although I should clarify any hypnotism I've done has been of the psudo kind where I used solid mentalism techniques to ensure the out come.


I've read extensively about hypnotisim to the point I shall now try it out in the real world.

I hope that eases the embers of outraged fire some what.
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‘Embers of outraged fire.’ Where do you see this? I only see genuine curiosity and a willingness to help on the back of your original post?
Strange comment...
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On Sep 8, 2018, Peter Morrissey wrote:
Although I should clarify any hypnotism I've done has been of the psudo kind where I used solid mentalism techniques to ensure the out come.


Of course it was. We already knew this, hence the questions. So to set the record straight, you were doing/interested in "hypnosis for magicians" or fake/pseudo hypnosis. So factually speaking you are not a hypnotist, have no experience in hypnosis, and no actual skill , knowledge or training in actual hypnosis (reading books means nothing - I wouldn't want a brain surgeon whose only training and knowledge of brain surgery came from only reading books operating on me.)

Hence seeking advice from hobbyists. It a shame you come to a hypnosis forum seeking advice on hypnosis (not pretend hypnosis) and then make such a comment towards those with actual experience who have been helping you.

Also, mentalism in no way involves hypnosis (especially magic-mentalism or mental magic.)
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On Sep 8, 2018, Peter Morrissey wrote:
I'm asking hobby performers as they would not be dealing with large groups who are already invested in what you are doing as they have paid to see you and are probably prone to suggestion from the off.

I would imagine getting a more compliant person is easier in this situation as opposed to a perhaps impromtu situation with a smaller group who are NOT already half way there? I assume this is tougher? Makes sense?No?


This is still the central point I was making folks. Apologies if offense was somehow, thought it was straight forward
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As far as I'm concerned now let the hobbiests answer. I ask a genuine question about why it makes a difference and get sarcasm about outraged fire?
Learn from hobbiests that should go well.

Here is a hint. The process is the same no matter what the group size. A good volunteer is a good volunteer. Had you actually done hypnosis instead of getting back into pseudo stuff this would be clear.

So no it is NOT tougher and makes no sense.

Have fun.
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I'm glad you feel it is not tougher. No difference between noticing a more compliant person in a group of 10 or 100. I understand the guaging process is the same. Fair enough. Not being an expert like yourself I would have thought it matters. I know now, this is not the case.
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‘Embers of outraged fire.’ Where do you see this? I only see genuine curiosity and a willingness to help on the back of your original post?
Strange comment...


That comes from finding three posts in a row that sound like "like why are you even asking that question noob? What I'm wondering is why you even think that way blah blah .

that's the way it reads anyway.
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That is on you.

And while you may not find as many volunteers in 10 people, what makes a good one didn't change.
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Finding compliant people in a larger crowd who have paid isn't the objective. The objective is to deliver up to a two hour show and hold the audience and let them leave feeling they have had value for money. THAT IS NOT EASY. And the larger the crowd and money charged for a ticket the higher the expectation. A hypnotist has a time limit and lot of pressure to find the right people from a large crowd that will make up the rest of the show. He/she has to find the most entertaining subjects. That is a skill that can only be learned by doing it and being prepared to fail a few times. On the other hand finding individuals to practice on is easy. Or at least I found it to be easy when I first started. The biggest problem is at the start you don't have the skill or knowledge. And you may need to go through quite a lot of people before you find the right one and "luck out". Without training it will be that way.With the right training and knowledge that too will be relatively easy. I have found from a group of 5 to 6 people I can usually find one that good for a solid demonstration. The only real pressure is on the onus of a suitable person being there. And the worse that can happen is you lose some credibility if no one is there that is suitable. But even that can be managed and can still end well.

How do you tell when someone is suitable? They respond you just need to learn how to hypnotize.
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Finding compliant people in a larger crowd who have paid isn't the objective. The objective is to deliver up to a two hour show and hold the audience and let them leave feeling they have had value for money. THAT IS NOT EASY. And the larger the crowd and money charged for a ticket the higher the expectation. A hypnotist has a time limit and lot of pressure to find the right people from a large crowd that will make up the rest of the show. He/she has to find the most entertaining subjects. That is a skill that can only be learned by doing it and being prepared to fail a few times. On the other hand finding individuals to practice on is easy. Or at least I found it to be easy when I first started. The biggest problem is at the start you don't have the skill or knowledge. And you may need to go through quite a lot of people before you find the right one and "luck out". Without training it will be that way.With the right training and knowledge that too will be relatively easy. I have found from a group of 5 to 6 people I can usually find one that good for a solid demonstration. The only real pressure is on the onus of a suitable person being there. And the worse that can happen is you lose some credibility if no one is there that is suitable. But even that can be managed and can still end well.

How do you tell when someone is suitable? They respond you just need to learn how to hypnotize.


Thank you for your very helpful insight. Really appreciate it.
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I have to agree with Danny here. The size of the crowd doesn't matter that much. 12,24,48,400 any size crowd will have good participants if the show is structured properly.
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Ok, I'm a "hobbyist" and I'll take a swing at the original question.

First, to define where I'm coming from and how I have anything at all to offer to the conversation. I'm not a performer. I have some limited real hypnosis training. A few years ago I found a local therapist who was teaching a clinical hypnosis class at a time when I had the time and money to attend. I took the class, past the test, hypnotized some people, but never had a professional practice. I took the class because I've always been fascinated by hypnosis and wanted to learn hypnosis from a real teacher, not from YouTube. The idea of opening a practice to help people stop smoking doesn't really interest me. I've done a little bit of "oh, your a hypnotist?" impromptu hypnosis for entertainment. So, I know a little about hypnosis and less about putting on a stage show. Amateur enough?

I have the "Manchurian Process" dvd and "Reality is Plastic" book. In my opinion, the best value in both is his approach to the approach. He does a good job of outlining how to walk up to a group of strangers, introduce who you are and what you do. That's the gem in there.

The DVD and book are good enough for what he's showing. It's not McGill's "Encyclopedia of Stage Hypnosis" but I found what I see as my money's worth in "Reality is Plastic" and Manchurian. Now, the "Encyclopedia..." is way more information. I have it and haven't got cover to cover yet. Even before finishing it I can say it was worth buying.

As far as "good subjects" go. People who are interested are good. People who roll their eyes or tell you to go away are not. In my limited experience, it's really been that simple.

So, having qualified that I'm giving free internet opinions and warrantee that it's worth it's price, I hope it's helpful.
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